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post #31 of 43 (permalink) Old 07-14-2019, 02:20 PM
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I've already seen that. What I want to know is gaming.

I may have undersold the "some gaming" haha.. I do gaming often.


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I'd be more than happy to run some gaming benchmarks but I don't own that many of them since I don't play those specific ones. The other issue you're going to run into is I have a 1070 graphics card and most reviews run on 2080 or 2080ti to remove as much gpu bias as possible in the score. If you compare my scores to those it would do you no good but if you send me a 2080ti I'd be more than happy to run some for you lol. That's why you see so many of us fellow users posting synthetic benchmarks. You don't necessarily need to have this crazier higher end pc to normalize the stats.

I did find these with a bit of searching which might help you. I cant verify anything in these videos personally though. It looks to me for the most part like the 3700x comes in right around even or ever so slightly below the 9700k & 9900k in many tasks but the 3800x comes in around even to slightly better in many. The question ends up being is the extra cost worth it to you as the perform very similar in gaming - withing a few fps or so. The reason I bought mine was my local Microcenter was out of stock on the 3700x and I didn't want to spend the 3900x cost so when they had a few 3800x I just decided to take that right now without waiting for back orders. I'm happy with the purchase because 399$ for this performance on a ~75-100$ mobo I bought 2.5 years ago is a stupid good deal and there really isnt any way to argue it isnt because had I gone Intel I would be buying a new mobo if I wanted to move up and that mobo and chip would be much more expensive than what I've spent currently.


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I've already seen that. What I want to know is gaming.

I may have undersold the "some gaming" haha.. I do gaming often.
There you go:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...view,6226.html
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I question that top video that Enndr posted, I saw that video like 2 days after release, before anyone had their hands on all the CPU's, even the major reviewers. Yet, some clown that doesn't say a word or review a thing had all the CPU's and ran that series of benches in 2 resolutions on every AMD chip within a couple days of release? Very very doubtful. It also looks like just about every bench is fixed percentage difference. I call bull****.

Anyway, I put my money where my mouth was and went to Fry's yesterday and got a MSI X570. Pro's and cons, latest AGESA, memory overclocking is great, none of the ASRock BIOS problem, performance increased, lesser threads still cap at 4.475, but all threads stay at 4.3 through entire cinebench runs. Broke 5k on the first Cinebench run. 5051 i think.

Con's BIOS "look" is crap, I can't see a way to avoid "kiddie land" SUPER BOOST 9000!! Click here! bunch of graphical buttons and rookie crap everywhere. You can't even set fan speed parameters without a mouse and using the graph. Everything, i mean Everything runs hotter and higher voltage than the Taichi, base CPU voltage is like 1.49, or something stupid. It drops to 1.39 ish under load, but VRMs, NB, CPU, everything is considerably hotter. I may be able to dial a lot of that down, but seems almost dangerous for default settings if someone didn't know what to look for. Seems like stability was P1, regardless of possible longevity.

I have that 2600x CPU and 16GB of DDR4 that I wasn't a fan of before I bought my B-die, so i figured I'll get another board and when ASRock pulls head out of ass, updates AGESA, I'll do a side by side and use the lesser board on the 2600x for a second machine, I have everything I'll need sitting around, including the cooler that came with the 3800X, my old 1000w Corsair PS, GTX1060 etc etc. Maybe I can get the woman hooked!


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I question that top video that Enndr posted, I saw that video like 2 days after release, before anyone had their hands on all the CPU's, even the major reviewers. Yet, some clown that doesn't say a word or review a thing had all the CPU's and ran that series of benches in 2 resolutions on every AMD chip within a couple days of release? Very very doubtful. It also looks like just about every bench is fixed percentage difference. I call bull****.

Anyway, I put my money where my mouth was and went to Fry's yesterday and got a MSI X570. Pro's and cons, latest AGESA, memory overclocking is great, none of the ASRock BIOS problem, performance increased, lesser threads still cap at 4.475, but all threads stay at 4.3 through entire cinebench runs. Broke 5k on the first Cinebench run. 5051 i think.

Con's BIOS "look" is crap, I can't see a way to avoid "kiddie land" SUPER BOOST 9000!! Click here! bunch of graphical buttons and rookie crap everywhere. You can't even set fan speed parameters without a mouse and using the graph. Everything, i mean Everything runs hotter and higher voltage than the Taichi, base CPU voltage is like 1.49, or something stupid. It drops to 1.39 ish under load, but VRMs, NB, CPU, everything is considerably hotter. I may be able to dial a lot of that down, but seems almost dangerous for default settings if someone didn't know what to look for. Seems like stability was P1, regardless of possible longevity.

I have that 2600x CPU and 16GB of DDR4 that I wasn't a fan of before I bought my B-die, so i figured I'll get another board and when ASRock pulls head out of ass, updates AGESA, I'll do a side by side and use the lesser board on the 2600x for a second machine, I have everything I'll need sitting around, including the cooler that came with the 3800X, my old 1000w Corsair PS, GTX1060 etc etc. Maybe I can get the woman hooked!
I question that video too honestly for many of the same reasons. If it is legit it does show that if you're running a fast but last gen gpu you're likely to get similar gaming fps from many of the games out there. I think you'll notice more of the fps spread when running the latest greatest gpus and beyond that once you push into 1440 regardless of the gpu all the scores tighten up, even with the intel offerings. The second vid is pretty legit though.
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If you wanna game, just buy a cheap 3600 and give him fast RAM, and it will not slower than up to the 3900X (including 3800X).
Maybe you can test with the SotTR Demo benchmark @ 720p ultra low and try to beat my FPS from the lil 3600.
But just concentrate on the CPU-Spiel numbers there espescially min Fps and 95%
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One more quick bench, again no BIOS or memory tweaks at all yet. Just good cooling 78F ambient. The chip is doing 4.2Ghz on all cores by itself, not too bad. Just under 4.5Ghz on less cores.
Just for comparison (and fun) here is my 2700X CPU-Z run that I have just done after reading this post: https://valid.x86.fr/ik3isu



A slightly higher validated score: https://valid.x86.fr/fwqpzq

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I had someone ask me why I didn't go with the 3900X, so I'll post my answer for those curious. This is all personal opinion, all my own theories, just that theories based on experience, not evidence, yet.

This is pretty much just a gaming rig, infact it's attached to a racing simulator. I really don't see too many games that can properly utilize 24 threads. I foresee that concentration of cores in such a small package being a concentration of heat and a heatsoak that no matter the radiator surface area, the block will get saturated by a lack of surface area, if the goal is higher clocks. I like the size of the Threadripper a lot better when you start to get into that kind of core count, the surface area is a big plus. Companies get better at making these chips as time passes, so I was looking for the best binned chips when purchasing early, for now, specs dictate that would be the 3800X. Infact I would have gone with a 3600X and dropped the 4 threads if it had matched the 3800X clock for clock. I'd rather have 4.4 Ghz on 12 threads than 3.9 Ghz on 60 threads, for pretty much exclusively gaming. Can you get a 3700x that is just as good? Absolutely, though I would say it is far less likely in early production. Basically, it's a bit of a premium for a binned chip, you really should have little chance of a complete lotto fail with a 3800X, IMO.
i totally agree with you, i too went for 3800x for the same reasons and theories you just said

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Just for comparison (and fun) here is my 2700X CPU-Z run that I have just done after reading this post: https://valid.x86.fr/ik3isu



A slightly higher validated score: https://valid.x86.fr/fwqpzq


I am hitting just under 6000 now, with no core OC'ing or PBO, just default PB and memory at 3466 with fairly tight timings, on the MSI board. That put's it at about 10% gains. I think AMD quoted 13-15%, so I think by the time all is said and done, it should fall pretty close to where they said it would. I don't think 10-15% gains are worth $400, but I don't think 2700x owners are the target market either.

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I am hitting just under 6000 now, with no core OC'ing or PBO, just default PB and memory at 3466 with fairly tight timings, on the MSI board. That put's it at about 10% gains. I think AMD quoted 13-15%, so I think by the time all is said and done, it should fall pretty close to where they said it would. I don't think 10-15% gains are worth $400, but I don't think 2700x owners are the target market either.
You are right. I am waiting to see what the 3950X holds and hopefully the BIOS situation will settle down over the coming weeks and we will start to see some more consistent reviews.

Overall I think the performance of these new chips is really good, it is the publicity and the claims about clock speeds and PBO that I have not been too happy about. I am hoping these things will all be resolved soon enough though.
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