Originally Posted by sblantipodi
Ryzen 4000 can't be considered an upgrade over ryzen 3000, just a refresh.
The real upgrade will be DDR5, USB4 and PCIe5 at the end of 2020 beginning of 2021.
So yes, this is a too expensive dying platform.
Big fail AMD
How is this a "big fail" and a dying platform? Compared to what? Intel has been on 14nm for how many years, yet AMD has the "dead platform"? You really have to compare computers based on their competition and if anyone has a "dying platform" its been Intel. The have released how many new sockets needing new motherboards all on 14nm, all with the same major specs and somehow those qualify as "upgrades" yet Ryzen 4000 isn't an upgrade? Please, use some basic logic...
While I do agree that 16 cores and 32 threads is going to be hard to market as a "gaming computer" and it is hard to call it a pure hedt because it lacks quad channel memory. With that being said, with its boost clock and the ability to tweak it "on the fly" with Ryzen Master (ie turn off SMT, overclock the individual CCXs) it will be a beast of a gaming computer and properly tweaked I believe can take down the i9 9900KS in gaming. My 3800X @ 4.475Ghz all core already has the same performance across the board as the i9 9900K (even overclocked to 5Ghz), now you add an addition 8 real cores that are at peak efficiency (SMT disabled) and can clock higher... Properly configured it has everything needed to be a gaming beast.
Then there is going to be the hedt applications. While it is true that it lacks the quad channel support of the upcoming 7nm Threadripper components and their Intel counterparts, that really hasn't been much of an issue thus far. The R7 3900X, with only dual channel support, regularly outperforms its Intel hedt counterparts in benchmarks and real world performance. Right now the only Intel hedt processor that can outperform the 3900X is the 18 core i9 9980xe (and the r9 3900X can outperform even it in some benchmarks). When the R9 3950X releases having 4 more cores and 8 more threads it will outperform the 9980xe. That means that AMDs mainstream processors (on the high end) outperform Intel's hedt line. And AMD is yet to release its true hedt line with 7nm Threadripper, quad channel processors. Lets face facts, AMD now owns the hedt market.
I fail to see how AMD is using a "dying platform" when AM4 will still be relevant through 2020 and Intel's platforms have been stagnant since 2015. Technology is judged and based vs the closest competition and AMD is actively working with the newest process available. Intel is dwelling in the past on a process from 2015, they have the "dying platform" not AMD.