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post #641 of 755 (permalink) Old 12-02-2019, 05:19 PM
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I guess the mitigation on the vulnerabilities made the cpus faster.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...-3700x/22.html



The hardware mitigations have been one of the most ridiculously biased topic since all the holes in Core arch were made public. Intel asked the reviewers to test bench their CPUs without the needed and necessary mitigations so they would have better scores on the official reviews and the reviewers DID IT. Those mitigations are what make it safe to operate that processor, but it slows it down so lets do the test benching without the mitigations...

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Like I stated before, they do very good at pushing Intel systems to their extreme limits. Gamers Nexus will usually have some of the best overclocks possible with their Intel test rig systems (pushing them to the point of danger in some cases to get better benchmarks). Then we come to them overclocking Ryzen....



The best overclock they could ever manage from the 3700X or 3800X was 4.3Ghz all core... They also used 1.41V to get on the 3800X to overclock to 4.3Ghz that is just crazy as every one I have worked on can do 4.4Ghz at 1.3 - 1.34V!! What makes it even more pathetic is they had all the best premium RAM, extreme X570 motherboard, premium power supply... yet all they could muster is 4.3Ghz all core @ 1.41V..
They do stability test them the same way, and they also happen to test the way I do.. they just have a higher than realistic allowance for voltage and temp IMO. My launch 3600X needs over 1.3v to be what I consider stable at 4.2Ghz, so their testing seems in line with what some people got at launch. Their 3950X testing seems in line with getting a better chip too, possibly one like your 3800X.

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Like I stated before, they do very good at pushing Intel systems to their extreme limits. Gamers Nexus will usually have some of the best overclocks possible with their Intel test rig systems (pushing them to the point of danger in some cases to get better benchmarks). Then we come to them overclocking Ryzen....
If you don't like GN, Here's another one, 3950x vs 9900ks both OC'd , similar outcome...


Cliffs: 4.4ghz 3950x, 5.3ghz 9900ks
Tomb raider: similar average fps, 10% less min fps on the 3950x
ACO: roughly 10% less minimum on the 3950x , 20% less average fps
BFV: Close
FC5: Not good, 20% less minimums, 25% less average on the 3950x
Warhammer V2: 20% less average & minimum on the 3950x

This is in line with my own testing also. You could do whatever you like to memory, ccd overclocking , standing on one leg and praying to the sun god and that gap isn't going to be made up. Personally I would push better memory on the intel system also, and disable HT which would allow another 100mhz or so at same voltage

I could tell you about the 9600kf I bought recently after the price drop, purely just to see how far I could push a OC.. That runs at 5.4/5.3avx, you might not be happy to hear how the whole AMD lineup compares to that budget chip in gaming
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I like Gamers Nexus, don't get me wrong, but they do tend to favor their Intel systems a bit. Take the reviews of the 3700X and 3800X they did as well as the benchmarks they are still using. They come off with a 16% advantage for Intel largely based off of the fact they don't seem to know what the heck they are doing with overclocking the Ryzen processors. With the 3700X and 3800X review the max overclock they were able to achieve with manual overclocking was 4.3Ghz and were using more than 1.4V. I remember the reviews well as they said the 3800X was pointless because the 3700X can overclock manually just as high (4.3Ghz). This is total BS... I have yet to see a 3800X that can't do 4.4Ghz all core and the highest voltage I've ever had to use to 1.34V to do it. Factor in someone who can actually overclock properly on Ryzen and you can get 4.45Ghz all core+ out of a manual overclock. Personally I can run half the cores at 4.475Ghz and the other half at 4.5Ghz.


These may seem like small differences, a couple hundred Mhz higher overclock and setting faster RAM speed with tighter timings, but with Ryzen it makes a huge difference in performance. I can totally see Gamers Nexus getting a 16% gap when they don't have the Ryzen processor optimized yet always seem to get one of the best overclocks for their Intel processor its being compared to.



The best example I can give is when I shocked the hell out of a friend of mine by proving to him that his 5Ghz overclocked 9900K was within margin of error with my 3800X @ 4.45Ghz all core even using his overpowered RTX 2080Ti. The problem is when you hamstring the 3800X @ 4.3Ghz and give it 3200Mhz RAM with loose sub-timings you get a clear ~ 10% gaming advantage to the 9900K @ 5Ghz. Granted the 9900KS pushed the clock higher and there is going to be a gap with that extra 300Mhz it can get when overclocked but it comes at higher cost out of the box, the need of extreme aftermarket cooling, and will cost you more in the power bill all year round, and at best the gaming gap with their new 9900KS is going to be under 10% for all that investment.
Ye i had this feeling for a while they are slightly Intel biased..thing is you dont even need expensive b-die..it works as good on e-die memory and its super easy to do.. so no real reason why they dont do it. And dram calculator safe timings from my testings give the same results as fast, asleast in BFV, even easier to achieve.
Its quite ridiculous to include heavy overclocked Intel cpus then compared them to "oc" amd cpus with stock memory.

4.4+ all core huh? Thats nice 3800x

check this out..same fps

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I'm not a fan of the overclocks used by gamer's nexus, they run right up to high degradation areas on both voltage and load temp.. Those chips would degrade in less than 2yrs easily with the 10980xe for example at just shy of 100C.

They don't optimise the ram much either which makes a big difference.. On my 3600X going from 3200C14 XMP to 3200C14 safe calculator timings jumped me from 175fps to 210fps in forza horizon 4.
Ye exactly..i run safe timings as well and thats the increase in fps i see in BFV 64 multiplayer. Subtimings is very important on ryzen. Funny thing is my overall latency only went down 0.5.. yet gave me this insane increase in fps.

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about far cry 5 This is not even with DRAM calculator timings.
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Simple latest prime95 have this avx2 test included, for me and for many pass only on stock setting, if i try to do this test at 4.2 ghz all core my pc restart almost immediatly even if im stable on all other test Thats why i was asking ^^
If i disable the avx test im also ok
If you want to test for stability with an AVX load, you can give the Blender benchmark a shot. I tried it the other day, and it doesn't melt the CPU down.
The prime95 AVX torture is unrealistic for regular daily use, unless you intend to look for prime numbers of course.
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about far cry 5 This is not even with DRAM calculator timings.
Nice. See reqq, imo, the ones who need to fine tune their RAM are the ones who pair Ryzen to high-end gpus. Not saying that us with low or mid-tier cards won't benefit. I can run my system at stock (R5 3600) even when ram is running at 2400MHz with a 5700XT and not notice it in games compared to when the ram is set to 3333 CL16. Just in benchmarks like Cinebench will we see the benefit.

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