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The demand is high for Ryzen 3000 and rightfully so. Of course the supply can't keep up with the peak demand after launch when so many want to build a new system. Plus AMD has to first and foremost keep their contracts to business customers, so they are not gonna feed all their dies for lulz into retail when they need them for Epyc. 3900x is sold out on many shops, they probably don't make that many of them and I don't know why people would buy this one much either, get the 3600 or 3700X or 3950X.

As always best bins go to server CPUs, then to workstation, then to retail for us plebs. Allocation always goes to server first and retail last.

Doesn't matter if one die is "good" other "worse" that's always going to be the case on higher core count CPUs be it monolithic or chiplet. You will never get all cores top notch same quality. Intel also has boost precisely for this.
I have in my 2700x all cores practically equal and good. All cores can boost 4.35 and manual OCing is [email protected] stable 24/7 if needed.

What I saw in 3900x all cores from the first chiplet are able to boost as advertised 4.5-4.6 but second chiplet cores are much worser and can boost only 4.2-4.3 200-300 MHz were stolen. So overall 3900x can be manually clocked on 4.0-4.2 only because the second chiplet is a bad quality one.

So AMD intentionally sells the product half of each is not good as advertised. As for me this is the same kind of fraud as selling a box of peaches where the good peaches are on the top masking the bad ones on the bottom. 😄
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End of September according to 1usmus
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment..._of_september/
A Swedish retailer may have leaked a Sept. 30 release too.

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryz...ber-30-release

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I have in my 2700x all cores practically equal and good. All cores can boost 4.35 and manual OCing is [email protected] stable 24/7 if needed.

What I saw in 3900x all cores from the first chiplet are able to boost as advertised 4.5-4.6 but second chiplet cores are much worser and can boost only 4.2-4.3 200-300 MHz were stolen. So overall 3900x can be manually clocked on 4.0-4.2 only because the second chiplet is a bad quality one.

So AMD intentionally sells the product half of each is not good as advertised. As for me this is the same kind of fraud as selling a box of peaches where the good peaches are on the top masking the bad ones on the bottom. 😄
While I understand your complaint the analogy is pretty bad. Reaching a desired frequency in overclocking is not a qualifier for a defective product.
Your standard you are attempting to make would mean all CPUs a failure under those entitled rules.


I find it amusing the whining about overclock frequency or even stock clocks. While it's not 5ghz the performance of ryzen at such a clock speed deficit against the competition is very impressive. I see much double standard posts now

Why not just go buy a 9900k since it's obviously the better CPU. Save yourself the hassle of dealing with AMD only issues.

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While I understand your complaint the analogy is pretty bad. Reaching a desired frequency in overclocking is not a qualifier for a defective product.
Your standard you are attempting to make would mean all CPUs a failure under those entitled rules.


I find it amusing the whining about overclock frequency or even stock clocks. While it's not 5ghz the performance of ryzen at such a clock speed deficit against the competition is very impressive. I see much double standard posts now

Why not just go buy a 9900k since it's obviously the better CPU. Save yourself the hassle of dealing with AMD only issues.
Wanting the product to behave like specified on the box is whining? Elaborate? lol

Better to what? 3700x and 3800x? Probably, in ST performance. In MT perf 9900k already gets demolished.

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Oh c’mon AMD is not an angel or mother Teresa it’s just a business for utilization of bad chiplets here. If you’re want to protect AMD let me know - Does AMD inform buyers that only the first chiplet in 3900x is within the advertised specifications but the second one is out? May be I missed this statement...
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Wanting the product to behave like specified on the box is whining? Elaborate? lol



Better to what? 3700x and 3800x? Probably, in ST performance. In MT perf 9900k already gets demolished.
Where on the box does it say all cores boost to 4.5 ghz?

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Oh c’mon AMD is not an angel or mother Teresa it’s just a business for utilization of bad chiplets here. If you’re want to protect AMD let me know - Does AMD inform buyers that only the first chiplet in 3900x is within the advertised specifications but the second one is out? May be I missed this statement...
My point is people are acting like they expect a certain clock speed in overclocking or the product is defective and fraudulent.





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Where on the box does it say all cores boost to 4.5 ghz?

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This person gets it. I will also add how many people out there think all 9900k cpus reach 5ghz(all core) or higher clocks. I rarely see them claiming intel is a fraud when they can't do it(its silicon lottery).

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I was just able to get a 3900 at listed price at Micro Center
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I was just able to get a 3900 at listed price at Micro Center
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Again, I am talking not about ALL cores simultaneously, I am talking about ANY core boost. It’s a common sense to have almost equal cores, isn’t it?
But 3900x is absolutely unique. It was intentionally designed by the way that only half of processor is OK and the second half is out of specifications. I could not find any statement from AMD about this.
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