Originally Posted by sblantipodi
they had the opportunity to crash intel in the enthusiast segment
with an interesting performance per dollar ratio and they destroyed their possibility of success.
if ryzen 3000 offered a no brainer over Intel due to the good performance per dollar,
threadripper is now targeting the "I have money to burn people" only.
enthusiasts will not find Threadripper so appealing not fo the bug price but for the bad performance per dollar that is so close to Intel now.
I understand your point. However I think AMD DID "crash Intel in the enthusiast segment". Did you not see how Intel was forced to cut prices on their HEDT lineup just a few weeks ago? It wasn't out of the kindness of their hearts, it was from the inherent market pressure the AMD Ryzen/TR lineup has had on Intel for the last year or so do to better value proposition that they offer.
Granted we would ALL love to see AMD keep exploiting this pressure and offer yet lower prices on their new lineup. I think that they priced the new TRs and 3950X pretty well and competitively when you reference them against Intel Cascade Lake-X lineup, but a bit high if you compare to their mainstream.
At 55$ per core the upcoming 10980XE is around 17% more expensive per core compared to the 3950X (assuming a price of 1000 for the Intel part and 750 for the AMD part).
When we move to the HEDT comparison the TR 3960X is going to be 5% more expensive per core than the 10980XE, however it is supposed to bring some improvements over the Intel part such as lower power consumption per core(higher perf. per watt) and slightly more expansion options from higher pci-e lane count along with pci-e ver 4.
a 5% premium for those things doesn't sound bad to be honest.
I was going/hoping to buy a next gen Threadripper as my new build to finally upgrade from my ageing 5820k, sadly it seems AMD will not, at this time, launch a 16 core 3000 series Threadripper, and the 24 core part is a bit out of my budget, so I am going with the 10980xe because i honestly do not care about power consumption and would rather have a quad core memory layout that the 3950x lacks, and i love to thinker and overclock and the 10980xe i think its better suited for that with the evga x299 dark i got waiting for it. AMD processors seem to come as fast as they can run out of the box and overclocking is a bit pointless with them, altho the memory tuning does seem super neat on the AMD side.
So in the end i do think AMD disrupted Intel's HEDT/Enthusiast party and in a big way, negating them 50% of the cpu margins from that inevitable price cut. But AMD is a company that needs to generate money too, and they did price their new lineup a tad bit higher, but i think they are justified in doing so considering what the competition lacks to offer and all the new features their own products do.
EDIT: You know in a weird way i think i ended up proving your point. I was waiting and hoping to buy a new Threadripper 3000 and the lack of 16 core part along with the 'just a tad over my budget' price of the 24core part made me swing back to the intel 10980xe. However i still think the price scaling is right and if intel had not lowered prices 50% we would all be posting the exact opposite. So i still stand by and sayt that AMD DID wreck the laughably overprice 2k 18core intel parts and forcing the 50% drop in price.