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3rd gen Threadripper, big fail and missed opportunity for AMD.

First gen and second gen threadripper was a great opportunity for AMD to get enthusiast on their HEDT segment.

Many many enthusiast are waiting for a good threadripper with good single core and multi thread performance,
so the 3rd gen was the CPU that all people was waiting for BUT...

Price is now stupidly high,
mainstream gained a lot more cores for the same money
while HEDT is getting the same number of cores with really increased price.

On the HEDT segment we don't expect more performance at the same price, we expect more cores at the same price!

Now that Intel is selling the 18 cores i9-10990XE at only $999 an Intel core costs 55USD while the crappy AMD 3960X boosts the price at 58USD per core with a whopping 1400USD.
Leave alone the stupidly high priced 3970X at 2000USD

AMD is missing a big opportunity here, no enthusiast will spend that much for a dying platform like TRX40,
a platform that must die soon due to the USB4 and DDR5 arrival.

BIG FAIL AMD

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Well, if it is inferior to the competition, then i agree.

But like some enthus here say, if you want the best, you got to pay for it.

Heck, we have some who are willing to pay 1000$ for a binned 9900KS. They want the best.

EDIT: Remember, the previous intel gen were selling twice as much. It is just recently they lowered their prices. They had no choice.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post
Well, if it is inferior to the competition, then i agree.

But like some enthus here say, if you want the best, you got to pay for it.

Heck, we have some who are willing to pay 1000$ for a binned 9900KS. They want the best.

EDIT: Remember, the previous intel gen were selling twice as much. It is just recently they lowered their prices. They had no choice.
AMD is not in the position to ask more money than intel with "similar performing processors"
10990X is not far behind the 3960X and costs a lot less on a more mature platform with an incredibly "better ecosystems" and probably better performing per core performance.

all software supports intel, not every supports AMD that well. there are many examples of software "preferring intel".

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Quote: Originally Posted by sblantipodi View Post
AMD is not in the position to ask more money than intel with "similar performing processors"
10990X is not far behind the 3960X and costs a lot less on a more mature platform with an incredibly "better ecosystems" and probably better performing per core performance.

all software supports intel, not every supports AMD that well. there are many examples of software "preferring intel".
Cost a lot less cos they have less cores. These are for workstations. Security reasons alone, depending on your ethical standards, it is far superior.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post
Cost a lot less cos they have less cores. These are for workstations. Security reasons alone, depending on your ethical standards, it is far superior.
AMD marketed those CPUs for PC enthusiasts too, the workstation only part will be the WX series on TRX80.
Sincerely 3960X is not awesome neither for enthusiast neither for workstations.

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Quote: Originally Posted by sblantipodi View Post
First gen and second gen threadripper was a great opportunity for AMD to get enthusiast on their HEDT segment.

Many many enthusiast are waiting for a good threadripper with good single core and multi thread performance,
so the 3rd gen was the CPU that all people was waiting for BUT...

Price is now stupidly high,
mainstream gained a lot more cores for the same money
while HEDT is getting the same number of cores with really increased price.

On the HEDT segment we don't expect more performance at the same price, we expect more cores at the same price!

Now that Intel is selling the 18 cores i9-10990XE at only $999 an Intel core costs 55USD while the crappy AMD 3960X boosts the price at 58USD per core with a whopping 1400USD.
Leave alone the stupidly high priced 3970X at 2000USD

AMD is missing a big opportunity here, no enthusiast will spend that much for a dying platform like TRX40,
a platform that must die soon due to the USB4 and DDR5 arrival.

BIG FAIL AMD


LOL. Intel drops prices on it's 4th year process and you blame AMD. TR3 is COMPLETELY brand new. 3950x has just what you need if you can't afford the best.

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LOL. Intel drops prices on it's 4th year process and you blame AMD. TR3 is COMPLETELY brand new. 3950x has just what you need if you can't afford the best.
no 3950X is an expensive mainstream CPU.
I don't see a real upgrade to 2950X, I'm so disappointed.

I can't see the real advantage from a 3960X that starts from 1400USD and a 3950X that costs 750USD.
the performance difference is not there and the TR platform itself isn't enough to justify the price.

no humans will need all those PCIe lanes today, be serious. 4 channel? ok but is not enough for the price difference.

and why there is nothing in between the 750 and the 1400 USD range?


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no 3950X is an expensive mainstream CPU.
I don't see a real upgrade to 2950X, I'm so disappointed.

Why don't you wait for reviews to judge that?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
Why don't you wait for reviews to judge that?
because AMD just showed its better benchamrks and they are no where near justifying double the price of a 3950X even in heavy workloads

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I agree 10000000%, this is a massive missed opportunity for AMD and a huge screwup. The prices are far too high. They should not cost more than previous gen for the same number of cores (24 $1250, 32 $1800). The prices are out of line with the mainstream lineup. ($500 12 core, $750 16 core -> should be no more than $1000 for 24 and $1500 for the 32 then.) Maybe okay compared to the 9980XE and W-3175X, but those are on the way out. Is the 48 core going to be $2800 and the 64 core $4000? Are they even going to release them, since the 24/32 already have a massive 280w TDP?

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