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Who is claiming it's not worth it and why?

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top google and YT search results, a lot of reviewers throw it in with the 3900x. The theme seems to be with PBO and Auto OC, there is not a whole lot extra to gain. If someone has guide or some advice beyond the volt\core . lmk. I'll do my own stock vs oc comparison eventually with cinebench. And some games with built in benchmarks.

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Unless you can achieve steady and stable all core 4.4GHz, single thread score will be lower than on properly tuned PBO, not by much though. Needles to say much OC success rides on MB, BIOS, AGESA and some on silicone lottery as AMD seem to have binning right. Binning is crucial as all modules are made same, from lowest to top Ryzen3 CPUs, will it be 2600 or 3800x, it all rides on binning.
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With the latest BIOS for my board, I was unable to hit advertised single core boost with PBO or auto OC. I ended up settling for a manual 4.3Ghz all core @ 1.325v and 1900Mhz IF/RAM. I still have pstate/CnQ enabled so that it throttles down when idle. With either PBO or auto OC, I was only reaching 4.1ish all core, and 4.3 single core. I'm sure I missed a setting somewhere, but I never could make i do better.

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Turn everything on Auto and work on your cooling. The cooler it runs the faster it will run. Forget cpu oc'ing, that takes little time. Spend your time on optimizing your RAM.
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For a AMD OC Noob like myself, when you guys say "4.3Ghz all core @ 1.325v", is that voltage set in the BIOS, or is that what HWInfo is reporting?

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For a AMD OC Noob like myself, when you guys say "4.3Ghz all core @ 1.325v", is that voltage set in the BIOS, or is that what HWInfo is reporting?
Manually set in BIOS or it tends to go wild when OCing. It's also just about same voltage at full PBO boost when on auto. Correct using LLC as needed, then it would go a bit higher only if absolutely necessary.

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Turn everything on Auto and work on your cooling. The cooler it runs the faster it will run. Forget cpu oc'ing, that takes little time. Spend your time on optimizing your RAM.
Oh man, when I updated my bios for the 3700x, adjusting my ram hasn't gone to great. I still have it set on the XMP 3200mhz of which I'm not complaining. My ram was like $70. On my 2600 I tried the dram calculator with no luck. I went to try 3600 mhz on this new bios with the 3700x and ended up having the pull out the mobo battery. Kind of a big pain since it's under my GPU and I have unsecured tubing going into my tote. On my old bios\2600 I don't think I ever had to reset my bios. So yeah I'm afraid of messing with my ram atm.

Just realized I could probably do it in Ryzen Master on the 3700x.

I turned on cstates and it runs way cooler on idle. Doesn't seem to affect my OC. And turbo is on but I don't think it does anything while OC is manually set. Gonna try and before and after cinebench

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I tried setting both PBO and auto OC settings in BIOS, and I wasn't happy with the results. When I decided to try a manual OC, I did it through Ryzen Master. It's not the "preferred" method, but it works with my setup. Up until I got this build I would never recommend a "software overclock" either. With that said, my last AMD build was a 965 BE that I only had for a couple of weeks and never bothered to OC, so I don't know any of the tweaks for these things. I've been relying on OCN and google-fu for my overclocking tips. Some people are able to get rated or better clocks with similar setups to mine with PBO or auto, and others aren't. In my case, I figure there's a really obvious "click here for moar mhz's plz" button that I am just not seeing. I'll probably go back and play with it more once I get my new pump, but honestly, 4.3 @ 1.325 is handling everything I throw at it.

How to: OC a Ryzen like a n00b, by the perman00b

1. Open Ryzen Master
2. Click "Profile 1"
3. Click "Manual"
4. Set each core to 4300 (or whatever your particular chip can handle, but most seem to be 4.3Ghz capable)
5. adjust the "Peak Core(s) Voltage" to 1.325 (you can go slightly higher if needed, but don't go crazy with it)
6. Click "Apply & Test", Ryzen Master will probably want to reboot. Let it do it's thing.
7. If everything worked, enjoy your new super simple OC.

How to: OC RAM

1. There's no shortcut, but you can use the DRAM Calculator to get a baseline
2. Follow the instructions, and plug the numbers into your BIOS
3. Plug in ALL the numbers given by the calculator. Some of the values are linked to each other, so plugging in a few and leaving others at auto or default can actually cause MORE problems.
3. Tweak the numbers as needed to get the best combination of performance, stability, and temps.

Other notes:

1. Keep your IF and memory clock equal (coupled mode). It's hit or miss, but around 50% or so of 3700x's are capable of 1900Mhz IF, but I haven't heard of more than 1 or 2 that could surpass it without crazy high end cooling and power delivery.
2. #1 doesn't apply if you have really fast RAM. Speeds of 4400Mhz or so are fast enough to offset the delay introduced by unlinking the IF and RAM.

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top google and YT search results, a lot of reviewers throw it in with the 3900x. The theme seems to be with PBO and Auto OC, there is not a whole lot extra to gain. If someone has guide or some advice beyond the volt\core . lmk. I'll do my own stock vs oc comparison eventually with cinebench. And some games with built in benchmarks.
Different rules for OC apply for 3600/3700 and the 3900.
Also are u telling me that your benchmark results are the same when comparing PBO oc manual oc?
Because mine are always better with manual OC.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rastaviper View Post
Different rules for OC apply for 3600/3700 and the 3900.
Also are u telling me that your benchmark results are the same when comparing PBO oc manual oc?
Because mine are always better with manual OC.

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Nope never said that. At stock I get 4923 on cinebench 20 and 5151 at 3.0 ghz. About a 4.5% difference. At 4.25 ghz, sometimes I can't finish Cinebench. I get 52XX. Just got done doing some stock comparisons. I barely got the card 2 days ago. Timmy Joe and as I said already, reviewers from the top google search results say "it's not worth it".



Quote: Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo View Post
I tried setting both PBO and auto OC settings in BIOS, and I wasn't happy with the results. When I decided to try a manual OC, I did it through Ryzen Master. It's not the "preferred" method, but it works with my setup. Up until I got this build I would never recommend a "software overclock" either. With that said, my last AMD build was a 965 BE that I only had for a couple of weeks and never bothered to OC, so I don't know any of the tweaks for these things. I've been relying on OCN and google-fu for my overclocking tips. Some people are able to get rated or better clocks with similar setups to mine with PBO or auto, and others aren't. In my case, I figure there's a really obvious "click here for moar mhz's plz" button that I am just not seeing. I'll probably go back and play with it more once I get my new pump, but honestly, 4.3 @ 1.325 is handling everything I throw at it.

How to: OC a Ryzen like a n00b, by the perman00b

1. Open Ryzen Master
2. Click "Profile 1"
3. Click "Manual"
4. Set each core to 4300 (or whatever your particular chip can handle, but most seem to be 4.3Ghz capable)
5. adjust the "Peak Core(s) Voltage" to 1.325 (you can go slightly higher if needed, but don't go crazy with it)
6. Click "Apply & Test", Ryzen Master will probably want to reboot. Let it do it's thing.
7. If everything worked, enjoy your new super simple OC.

How to: OC RAM

1. There's no shortcut, but you can use the DRAM Calculator to get a baseline
2. Follow the instructions, and plug the numbers into your BIOS
3. Plug in ALL the numbers given by the calculator. Some of the values are linked to each other, so plugging in a few and leaving others at auto or default can actually cause MORE problems.
3. Tweak the numbers as needed to get the best combination of performance, stability, and temps.

Other notes:

1. Keep your IF and memory clock equal (coupled mode). It's hit or miss, but around 50% or so of 3700x's are capable of 1900Mhz IF, but I haven't heard of more than 1 or 2 that could surpass it without crazy high end cooling and power delivery.
2. #1 doesn't apply if you have really fast RAM. Speeds of 4400Mhz or so are fast enough to offset the delay introduced by unlinking the IF and RAM.

Easy enough. Thanks and thanks to all the feedback. I tried DRAM calc again only to see that my new bios has it's own AMD overclocking area half way through. Still working on it

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