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post #11 of 61 (permalink) Old 11-27-2019, 05:48 AM - Thread Starter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ashura View Post
Yes it is great for end users!.

8c/12c/16c mainstream CPUs have never been more affordable.(12c & 16c weren't even mainstream )

Even if you can't or do not want to buy AMD , they've forced Intel to slash their prices by up to 50%. How is that not great?

Temporary price increases in certain parts of the world where supply is low & demand is very high, its (unfortunately)obvious that retailers are gonna raise the prices to profit from this situation.
One cannot blame AMD for that, unless they are intentionally withholding stock to artificially raise prices.
I think that you miss some tiles in your puzzle.
Intel slashed the price but AMD raised the price so what's the gain for the end users?

if you want the best CPU in the HEDT market last year you would have spent 2 grand, now you need even more since sTRX4 is way more expensive.

it's obvious and it's the minimum requirement to see something better on new products, but we are paying this "better" a lot more.
so no, I don't thanks AMD for this because it is raising the prices in every segment.

considering how good is a 9900K or a 3900X compared to a five years HEDT that costed 350 USD like a 5820K for example, no,
I think that prices are way too high now and AMD is bringing his contribution to higher prices even more.


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Quote: Originally Posted by sblantipodi View Post
I think that you miss some tiles in your puzzle.
Intel slashed the price but AMD raised the price so what's the gain for the end users?

if you want the best CPU in the HEDT market last year you would have spent 2 grand, now you need even more since sTRX4 is way more expensive.

it's obvious and it's the minimum requirement to see something better on new products, but we are paying this "better" a lot more.
so no, I don't thanks AMD for this because it is raising the prices in every segment.
Last year intel's HEDT 18core +x299 would cost you at least $2250?

This year, AMD's 24core +sTRX4 would cost($1400+$600) around $2000 if not less.

Edit: The 5820k was $390 for a six core cpu which required a x99 board, the cheapest one was over $200!, that's about $600 for a 6c system.

Since 2017 you only need half of that to build a 6c PC, for gaming or work.

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@sblantipodi

The point.

You are missing it.

You are getting far more performance now for the same total price as before. Or you can opt for the same performance as previous years with new reductions in power usage and for a smaller total price than before.

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can you tell me where to buy a 3960X for 1545€ please?
Not sure if they will ship to you, as you have no location listed, but here you go:

https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/278...adripper-3960X

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Quote: Originally Posted by sblantipodi View Post
I think that you miss some tiles in your puzzle.
Intel slashed the price but AMD raised the price so what's the gain for the end users?

if you want the best CPU in the HEDT market last year you would have spent 2 grand, now you need even more since sTRX4 is way more expensive.

it's obvious and it's the minimum requirement to see something better on new products, but we are paying this "better" a lot more.
so no, I don't thanks AMD for this because it is raising the prices in every segment.

considering how good is a 9900K or a 3900X compared to a five years HEDT that costed 350 USD like a 5820K for example, no,
I think that prices are way too high now and AMD is bringing his contribution to higher prices even more.
You can opt for second best or should i say mid-tier.

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Quote: Originally Posted by sblantipodi View Post
can you tell me where to buy a 3960X for 1545€ please?
https://geizhals.at/amd-ryzen-thread...-a2173562.html

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AMD's current leadership is the leadership getting them out of the hole. They are great for the end user. Sure I have a 9900k, but without them bringing the pressure I am sure that 9900k would have been left to the HEDT market and would have been twice the price. Without AMD bringing the 1800x to the market we wouldn't be where we are today. When the 1800x came out it came close to or matched the performance of a CPU that was twice the price.

You keep complaining about how AMD has increased the price... but their prices are respective to the performance they offer. Have you seen the reviews of the new 24 and 32 core CPUs? They obliterate the competition in the workloads that market segment is meant for. The price of their 32 core is the same price as an 18 core was just a few months ago....yet it COMPLETLY destroys it in the workloads that segment is for.

The CPUs in the HEDT market aren't meant for the general public. If it is too expensive for your needs...don't get it. There are CPUs that are in the mainstream segment that have the power or more power than what was once only in the HEDT segment. We now have 6c/12t, 8c/16t, 12c/24t, and 16c/32t in the mainstream at prices that fit almost every budget.

Stop fussing about the prices of CPUs that aren't meant for you in the first place and stop fussing about retailers marking prices up and acting like it is AMD's fault. For someone that has been a member since 2014... you should know this is business as usual for the market when there is a great product out that can't keep up with the demand of consumers.



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Yes, but only if Intel stay competitive.


With current trends of people saying/doing things like "I oNlY bY aMd BeCaUsE tHeY'rE tHe UnDeRdOg TaKe ThAt InTeL" AMD is going to end up in the same position as Intel was in 2013-2017 where there is 0 competition and AMD will be able to do whatever they want, and they will end up being like Intel where there's very little improvements in performance with significant price increases. If someone thinks AMD won't do that because "AMD is our friends" you'll be in a bad surprise should this happen and we end up with $250 entry level AMD CPUs.

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Yes, but only if Intel stay competitive.


With current trends of people saying/doing things like "I oNlY bY aMd BeCaUsE tHeY'rE tHe UnDeRdOg TaKe ThAt InTeL" AMD is going to end up in the same position as Intel was in 2013-2017 where there is 0 competition and AMD will be able to do whatever they want, and they will end up being like Intel where there's very little improvements in performance with significant price increases. If someone thinks AMD won't do that because "AMD is our friends" you'll be in a bad surprise should this happen and we end up with $250 entry level AMD CPUs.
And then you should blame Intel for not keeping up and not being competitive, that's all to it.

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Isn't it AMD's job to lower prices of NVidia and Intel products?

I don't like them getting all uppity just because they have the superior product.

AMD, you disappoint me, get back in your hole!

Be honest, behind the facade of those things, the real priority is just screwing everyone over in the name of obscene profit & delaying any kind of backlash as long as possible. That's the real world.
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