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Is AMD current leadership good for end users?

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AMD has the best CPU money can buy but is good for end users?

High end mainstream CPUs skyrocketed to 1000+ euros in europe for 3950X
entry level HEDT skyrocketed to 1600+ euros for 3960X
and now we have a new "segment" for HEDT with 64 cores that I expect to be in the 4/5000 euros range.

(for people who don't know it 1 USD equals to 0.91 euros so the price is pretty crazy as you can see)

I don't consider this market healthy because still after those years, there is no competition and I think that this is not good for us.

I hope to see some competition again where there is no absolute winner and no way to make those crazy prices.

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Quote: Originally Posted by sblantipodi View Post
As title.
AMD has the best CPU money can buy but is good for end users?

High end mainstream CPUs skyrocketed to 1000+ euros in europe for 3950X
entry level HEDT skyrocketed to 1600+ euros for 3960X
and now we have a new "segment" for HEDT with 64 cores that I expect to be in the 4/5000 euros range.

(for people who don't know it 1 USD equals to 0.91 euros so the price is pretty crazy as you can see)

I don't consider this market healthy because still after those years, there is no competition and I think that this is not good for us.

I hope to see some competition again where there is no absolute winner and no way to make those crazy prices.
Just chill for a bit, its just retailers price gouging the first limited batch. Its always like that when things are in limited supply. And there are retailers that are selling them at €829 and €1545 respectively, which I'm pretty sure is the MSRP here in europe.

Also, the dollar to euro conversion doesn't work that way, as the european prices include VAT(~20%) and the US ones don't.

TLR: Stop making a fuss about nothing, this is business as usual.
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Just remember that before Zen high-end was 4 cores / 8 threads, for 7 generations in row. We now can get a fast 6 core / 12 threads CPU for $200. Competition is great. If it wasn't for Zen, 9900K would probably be 4c/8t for $400.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Nizzen View Post
If you think it's too expensive, you don't need it enough 😉

True story

Ps: 25% wat in Norway
I'm not speaking for my self but in general for everyone interested in building an high end PC or workstation.
ok 3900X for example is a hell of CPU but in europe is hard to find under 600€...

600€ was the price of the fastest mainstream CPU last year.

ok CPU now are faster but the reasoning doesn't work that way, better after years, does not means more price necessarely.

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Just chill for a bit, its just retailers price gouging the first limited batch. Its always like that when things are in limited supply. And there are retailers that are selling them at €829 and €1545 respectively, which I'm pretty sure is the MSRP here in europe.

Also, the dollar to euro conversion doesn't work that way, as the european prices include VAT(~20%) and the US ones don't.

TLR: Stop making a fuss about nothing, this is business as usual.
can you tell me where to buy a 3960X for 1545€ please?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ha-Nocri View Post
Just remember that before Zen high-end was 4 cores / 8 threads, for 7 generations in row. We now can get a fast 6 core / 12 threads CPU for $200. Competition is great. If it wasn't for Zen, 9900K would probably be 4c/8t for $400.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hydroplane View Post
Hopefully AMD can actually make enough to satiate demand to limit massive price gouging on the part of retailers
I just read it's 16:1 in parts of Europe.

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Quote: Originally Posted by sblantipodi View Post
As title.
AMD has the best CPU money can buy but is good for end users?

High end mainstream CPUs skyrocketed to 1000+ euros in europe for 3950X
entry level HEDT skyrocketed to 1600+ euros for 3960X
and now we have a new "segment" for HEDT with 64 cores that I expect to be in the 4/5000 euros range.

(for people who don't know it 1 USD equals to 0.91 euros so the price is pretty crazy as you can see)

I don't consider this market healthy because still after those years, there is no competition and I think that this is not good for us.

I hope to see some competition again where there is no absolute winner and no way to make those crazy prices.
Yes it is great for end users!.

8c/12c/16c mainstream CPUs have never been more affordable.(12c & 16c weren't even mainstream )

Even if you can't or do not want to buy AMD , they've forced Intel to slash their prices by up to 50%. How is that not great?

Temporary price increases in certain parts of the world where supply is low & demand is very high, its (unfortunately)obvious that retailers are gonna raise the prices to profit from this situation.
One cannot blame AMD for that, unless they are intentionally withholding stock to artificially raise prices.

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