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Thanks for the info guys. So does this mean that I don't have to do all sorts of technical stuff to get the posted clock out of my RAM sticks with the 3900x like I did with the 1800x?
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Thanks for the info guys. So does this mean that I don't have to do all sorts of technical stuff to get the posted clock out of my RAM sticks with the 3900x like I did with the 1800x?
Hi therr, with the Zen 2 from AMD the cpu IMC is very forgiving to get good memory clocks and the right timings. Cannot wait to see your impression when you get it.

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I upgraded from 1800x to 3900x on CHIPSET X370 asus CROSSHAIR HERO VI is it worth it? yes
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Quote: Originally Posted by mijotter View Post
My current rig:

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1. Can I swap out the 1800x for the 3900x no problem without changing anything else? Will I notice a difference in Video Editing and Rendering?
Yes, you can swap it out after a BIOS flash.
A 3900X is about twice as fast as an 1800X in multithreaded workloads.

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Yes it's worth it for work. However you may consider moving to ThreadRipper?
$580 for a 3900X right now if you find one in stock.
$592 for 12core 2920X with quad channel memory and 64 PCIe lanes
You can grab a top flight mobo, another 16GB B-die RAM and a 12core/24thread 2920X for around $1200

Probably get around $300 for selling current mobo and cpu.

Or just grab a 3700X and enjoy the increased memory performance and higher clocks.
This is a bad idea, a 2920X is significantly slower than a 3900X, and if OP were to spend more money the obvious choice would be the 3950X rather than any first or second generation threadripper.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
Yes it's worth it for work. However you may consider moving to ThreadRipper?
$580 for a 3900X right now if you find one in stock.
$592 for 12core 2920X with quad channel memory and 64 PCIe lanes
You can grab a top flight mobo, another 16GB B-die RAM and a 12core/24thread 2920X for around $1200

Probably get around $300 for selling current mobo and cpu.

Or just grab a 3700X and enjoy the increased memory performance and higher clocks.

Quote: Originally Posted by Arni90 View Post
This is a bad idea, a 2920X is significantly slower than a 3900X, and if OP were to spend more money the obvious choice would be the 3950X rather than any first or second generation threadripper.
+1 to Arni90 post. Unless you need or want the PCI-E lanes a 3000 series is way better purchase. Pretty much X399 is dead , AM4 has wider support and updates.

Ryzen Master on X399 is pitiful, where as on a 3000 series you get all the info to be able to tweak CPU/RAM vastly better.

Due to the IO die on 3000 series you won't have the NUMA penalty. Due to the improved IMC the dual rank RAM OP has will be easier to tweak and have bigger gains than on X399 platform.

Zen/Zen+ exposed no information to OS in regard to what are "better cores", due to CPPC on Zen2 it does.

IMO Zen2 is the far more refined and desirable product than what has come on AM4 before and X399.
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Quote: Originally Posted by mijotter View Post
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My questions are two-fold:
1. Can I swap out the 1800x for the 3900x no problem without changing anything else? Will I notice a difference in Video Editing and Rendering?
2. What is the best way to set up a second drive for After Effects cache and video editing? Another SSD?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Arni90 View Post
Yes, you can swap it out after a BIOS flash.
A 3900X is about twice as fast as an 1800X in multithreaded workloads.


This is a bad idea, a 2920X is significantly slower than a 3900X, and if OP were to spend more money the obvious choice would be the 3950X rather than any first or second generation threadripper.
Quote: Originally Posted by gupsterg View Post
+1 to Arni90 post. Unless you need or want the PCI-E lanes a 3000 series is way better purchase. Pretty much X399 is dead , AM4 has wider support and updates.

Ryzen Master on X399 is pitiful, where as on a 3000 series you get all the info to be able to tweak CPU/RAM vastly better.

Due to the IO die on 3000 series you won't have the NUMA penalty. Due to the improved IMC the dual rank RAM OP has will be easier to tweak and have bigger gains than on X399 platform.

Zen/Zen+ exposed no information to OS in regard to what are "better cores", due to CPPC on Zen2 it does.

IMO Zen2 is the far more refined and desirable product than what has come on AM4 before and X399.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
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Please view some data below.

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A R9 3900X is a drop in upgrade, with good worth while gains for the least amount of cost vs Threadripper.

To fully utilise Threadripper the AM4 owner will need to go quad dimm and as seen in the data unless greater than 2950X is purchased it's pointless.

Even if OP had an X399 board I could not recommend jumping to it. The platform is dead end, no upgrade path left at all. Even whilst it was a "halo" product the UEFI/AGESA updates were exceedingly slow compared with AM4. IMO if any new bugs are discovered it will be a lengthy wait before X399 owners see new UEFI.

With AM4 user is likely to be able to go Zen3, X399 ends at Zen+, it's a no brainer in OP case to go R9 3900X.
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A R9 3900X is a drop in upgrade, with good worth while gains for the least amount of cost vs Threadripper.

To fully utilise Threadripper the AM4 owner will need to go quad dimm and as seen in the data unless greater than 2950X is purchased it's pointless.

Even if OP had an X399 board I could not recommend jumping to it. The platform is dead end, no upgrade path left at all. Even whilst it was a "halo" product the UEFI/AGESA updates were exceedingly slow compared with AM4. IMO if any new bugs are discovered it will be a lengthy wait before X399 owners see new UEFI.

With AM4 user is likely to be able to go Zen3, X399 ends at Zen+, it's a no brainer in OP case to go R9 3900X.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/ar...-3rd-Gen-1628/

Adobe AE stopped using more than 8 cores in 2015. C4D can and some others. It all depends on workflow and just pointing out options.
"If you are simply looking for the best performance in After Effects, there are plenty of options that are more affordable than the Intel X-series or AMD Threadripper processors that will get you nearly the same performance. For example, the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X/3950X and the Intel Core i9 9900K are all terrific for After Effects and cost a fraction of these HEDT processors. However, for users that work with longer and higher resolution projects, the ability to use up to 256GB of RAM with either the AMD Threadripper 3rd Gen or Intel X-10000 series can be a major benefit.

For those that need 256GB of RAM, choosing between an X-series CPU and a Threadripper CPU is a tough call. if you want the best performance, the AMD Threadripper 3960X 24 core was the fastest CPU we tested for both RAM Preview and rendering, coming in at about 8-14% faster than the Intel Core i9 10940X (which was the best overall X-series CPU). On the other hand, the Core i9 10940X is faster for tracking and is significantly less expensive with an MSRP that is about $600 less. If you already have a need for 256GB of RAM, that difference in price may be what allows you to afford it or lets you upgrade other components in the system that can make back some of that performance difference, or simply keeps you with budget."

However 256 GB of RAM can make sense if he is using lots 4K files. Might not be feasible to most at retail prices but I bet you could put together a used TR2 system fairly cheaply at this time, with the new cpu's releasing.
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Adobe AE stopped using more than 8 cores in 2015. C4D can and some others. It all depends on workflow and just pointing out options.

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If you are simply looking for the best performance in After Effects, there are plenty of options that are more affordable than the Intel X-series or AMD Threadripper processors that will get you nearly the same performance. For example, the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X/3950X and the Intel Core i9 9900K are all terrific for After Effects and cost a fraction of these HEDT processors. However, for users that work with longer and higher resolution projects, the ability to use up to 256GB of RAM with either the AMD Threadripper 3rd Gen or Intel X-10000 series can be a major benefit.

For those that need 256GB of RAM, choosing between an X-series CPU and a Threadripper CPU is a tough call. if you want the best performance, the AMD Threadripper 3960X 24 core was the fastest CPU we tested for both RAM Preview and rendering, coming in at about 8-14% faster than the Intel Core i9 10940X (which was the best overall X-series CPU). On the other hand, the Core i9 10940X is faster for tracking and is significantly less expensive with an MSRP that is about $600 less. If you already have a need for 256GB of RAM, that difference in price may be what allows you to afford it or lets you upgrade other components in the system that can make back some of that performance difference, or simply keeps you with budget.
However 256 GB of RAM can make sense if he is using lots 4K files. Might not be feasible to most at retail prices but I bet you could put together a used TR2 system fairly cheaply at this time, with the new cpu's releasing.
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TRX40+TR3 is min $1800 buy'in excluding RAM, cooler, etc. If OP had been considering spending that kinda money I reckon OP would have stated it.

X399 is limited to 128GB, even with a used TR2+X399 OP would be looking at other HW to utilise the platform.

Let's say a R9 3900X is ~$500, no other option IMO gains OP a drop in upgrade to latest Zen2 CPU at great price/performance for stated purpose, with possible future upgrade path.
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