Originally Posted by Acidstorm
I'm looking to upgrade from a R5 1600 on X370 board. I mostly game and do video / audio editing / mixing. I have an RTX 2060 gpu for gaming, so I don't need anything much more powerful, but I know I can still get a benefit in gaming from upgrading from the 1600 to either the 3600 or 2700. The pricing on the 2700 is really good at 150 bucks, but the 3600 is just 30 more, and it is even better in gaming, but I would be giving up a bit in rendering time when doing videos and audio work. Also, since I don't want to upgrade my motherboard yet, I think the 2700 would probably give me less issues in a X370 board vs the 3600.
I can't really make my mind up, and from just the performance standpoint I know what there is to gain/lose. But the technical side, I don't really have a clue how either CPU would function in my Asus Prime X370 motherboard. I know the board will support either CPU with a simple BIOS upgrade, but has anyone upgraded using this particular board and what kind of issues did it cause if any?
Originally Posted by Schmuckley
3000 series introduces some driver headaches.
I had to "fix" the driver for Win7 with only a PS2 mouse, "type" everything with character map.
Be sure you have the drivers on your desktop or root drive before you go installing a 3000 chip.
Thanks Schmuckley. I'm on Windows 10, so I'm hoping it won't be a bit deal. I however would like to keep using my X370, but I know some features that seem to be quite good in the 3000 series won't work with my board. I might just go that route so it's new, and then upgrade to an X570 when the prices drop a bit.
Originally Posted by deafboy
2700 unless you want to see how well your board and ram behave with overclocking the ram.
I do OC my RAM, but I read the way RAM is routed to the CPU is handled differently on X570 with the 3000 series, so I don't know if I'd be gimping performance using an X370 board. I know I'd be missing out on PBO and things like that until I can get a X570, but prices on those boards are just too high for my liking at the moment. I don't really want to pay more than 200, and the ones below 200 I looked at I'm not sure about their performance.
Originally Posted by rdr09
I have both cpus and with a 5700XT. Can't perceive any difference between the two. Buy what's cheaper. For your use case, i'd say 2700. You can use the stock cooler for the 1600 at stock without issue.
I have really been wanting an 8 core for the utility when doing renders, but I just don't know if it's worth going with the older architecture or just going with the new 6 core. I know Ryzen 3000 had quite a bit of improvement in IPC and other features, but as stated I'd like to keep using my X370 board for now because of the X570 prices being more than what I want to pay. Hopefully they price drop when parts become more plentiful.
Originally Posted by gupsterg
Go R5 3600.
Quantify render time, etc, IMO not a massive gap, see this section of TPU review
Besides 3000 series
being more power efficient, it has CPPC. Collaborative Processor Performance Control, this exposes to the OS best cores info. So when not using all cores, the best cores are targeted first by OS to boost, 1000/2000 series do not have this feature.
Another angle is RAM quantity at higher speed support. All my 1000/2000 series CPU used to tank RAM MHz when I flung in 4x8GB, 3000 series doesn't. So say at present your on 16GB and later decide to go 32GB, may that be 2x16GB or 4x8GB the 3000 series can still nail upto 3800MHz.
Currently the ASUS Prime X370 Pro doesn't have latest AGESA UEFI, but even on my Crosshair VII Hero when using an AGESA 126.96.36.199ABBA based UEFI see no difference in CPU boost MHz, RAM MHz attained, benches, etc as when I use an AGESA 188.8.131.52B UEFI.
I'm tempted even though my board would gimp the performance missing PBO and extra things, and I worry about RAM since it's routed in a different way from what I read on the X570 boards. Probably right, with the IPC improvements, it's probably a negligible gap, and I'm not doing anything that is so time sensitive that I must have better render times at all costs.
Originally Posted by mrsteelx
get the 3600, the better ipc gains will perform about the same if not better than 2700. Also you can push 3600 with the edc bug from here https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-a...rbo-boost.html
to make 3600 even better.
I wouldn't be able to use those settings on an X370 I'm suspecting? Unless the BIOS update for the Prime X370 Pro adds these functions? Even so, I'm leaning toward an 3600 simply because it's pretty cheap and it's the best architecture out. I will get an X570 at some point, it's just the pricing is a bit ridiculous over the previous gen boards at the moment, thanks to the expense of PCI-e 4.0 and the SB chip.