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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 03-31-2020, 03:21 AM - Thread Starter
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Ryzen 3600 - 4.35GHz @ 1.225v - Newbie Overclock Q's & Prime95 Stress Q's

Hi All,

So first off let me list out my spec and then go into my results/tests/questions, btw its been 15 years since I last had/overclocked a PC at a kid so be kind.

Ryzen 3600 - 4.35GHZ @ 1.225v - Infinity Fabric @ 1800
Cryorg H7 Aircooler - Base has been lapped flat as these are very convex so not suited to the Ryzen 3000 chip layout (this yielded a massive reduction in temps when this was done, as it was reaching 90C when completely stock)
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Windows 10 Pro + all latest updates/drivers etc

Overclock:
So I'm currently just using Ryzen Master so I could do incremental OC's without having to reboot etc to find something stable/fast etc

I reached a seemingly stable 4.35GHz @ 1.225v @ 30-34C idle and was able to run the entire Blender suite of benchmarks (about 30ish mins long) and also Cinebench r20 on loop for 30 mins without any stability issues at all and temperatures reaching 75C but held stable there.

Though after these benchmarks I decided to run Prime95 Small FFT test and this crashed/shutdown the computer after only about 10-30 seconds even though temperatures weren't super crazy but at mid to high 80's C. I found it odd as I ran the Blender benchmarks and the Cinebench for decent periods of time without any issues at all and with decent temperatures with zero crashed.

So I went about playing with the overclock and voltages until I was able to successfully run Prime95 Small FFT test for 30mins without any issues @ a constant 82C with 4.25GHz @ 1.1875v


So my questions:

Why is my original overclock seemingly stable in any real world benchmarks yet Prime 95 Small FFT test instantly causing it to crash almost instantly? Is this test a that I should always run to ensure a stable overclock?

I noticed stock when using PBO in Ryzen Master I was generally getting 4GHz all core and 4.19Ghz singled threaded stuff. But I noticed my Core Voltage would shoot around loads more under idle fluctuating temps and under load often going way higher (1.4v+) yet on getting around 4GHz all core so temperatures were actually higher with considerable high temperatures to my overclock setup, is this normal ?

Thanks
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Hi All,

So first off let me list out my spec and then go into my results/tests/questions, btw its been 15 years since I last had/overclocked a PC at a kid so be kind.

Ryzen 3600 - 4.35GHZ @ 1.225v - Infinity Fabric @ 1800
Cryorg H7 Aircooler - Base has been lapped flat as these are very convex so not suited to the Ryzen 3000 chip layout (this yielded a massive reduction in temps when this was done, as it was reaching 90C when completely stock)
Asrock B450m Pro 4 - Bios 3.90
16 GB Corsair Vengence 3600 CL18 - Stock Timings/XMP Profile
WD Blue SN550 M.2 Pcie Nvme - 500GB
Sapphire Radeon RX5600XT
Windows 10 Pro + all latest updates/drivers etc

Overclock:
So I'm currently just using Ryzen Master so I could do incremental OC's without having to reboot etc to find something stable/fast etc

I reached a seemingly stable 4.35GHz @ 1.225v @ 30-34C idle and was able to run the entire Blender suite of benchmarks (about 30ish mins long) and also Cinebench r20 on loop for 30 mins without any stability issues at all and temperatures reaching 75C but held stable there.

Though after these benchmarks I decided to run Prime95 Small FFT test and this crashed/shutdown the computer after only about 10-30 seconds even though temperatures weren't super crazy but at mid to high 80's C. I found it odd as I ran the Blender benchmarks and the Cinebench for decent periods of time without any issues at all and with decent temperatures with zero crashed.

So I went about playing with the overclock and voltages until I was able to successfully run Prime95 Small FFT test for 30mins without any issues @ a constant 82C with 4.25GHz @ 1.1875v


So my questions:

Why is my original overclock seemingly stable in any real world benchmarks yet Prime 95 Small FFT test instantly causing it to crash almost instantly? Is this test a that I should always run to ensure a stable overclock?

I noticed stock when using PBO in Ryzen Master I was generally getting 4GHz all core and 4.19Ghz singled threaded stuff. But I noticed my Core Voltage would shoot around loads more under idle fluctuating temps and under load often going way higher (1.4v+) yet on getting around 4GHz all core so temperatures were actually higher with considerable high temperatures to my overclock setup, is this normal ?

Thanks
See if your 4.35GHz oc is good for everyday use for a week or so. Meaning no sudden reboots, bsod, or any unusual behavior. I would not worry about P95 much.

Are you able to set PBO in BIOS? If so, try a bit of an undervolt. Like -0.03v or something.

EDIT: If you really want to use P95 for stability testing please see Stilt's suggestion.
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Thanks for the reply

With regards to tweaking the setting if I have any problems, what are the best steps to take?

Other than it running hot and shutting off are there any other kind of shutdowns/freezes that mean it needs high voltages at the cpu or maybe dropping the clockspeed back a bit etc ?

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Thanks for the reply

With regards to tweaking the setting if I have any problems, what are the best steps to take?

Other than it running hot and shutting off are there any other kind of shutdowns/freezes that mean it needs high voltages at the cpu or maybe dropping the clockspeed back a bit etc ?

Thanks

James
According to AMD ideally voltage should not exceed 1.32v at load. Not those sudden jumps while idle. You can feel the system is unstable sometimes even just after turning it on. Booting will be sluggish, browsers are first to exhibit this kind of behavior. I bet your 4.3 will be fine for everyday use. I suggest cloning your OS drive just in case. It is always a good idea to have a spare to minimize downtime.

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Best suggestion is do not OC your CPU at all. There is no need to OC Ryzen 2nd gen.

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Best suggestion is do not OC your CPU at all. There is no need to OC Ryzen 2nd gen.

I've seen this advice a lot nowdays, however it's false (for 3600). If you get good silicon, pbo does not work at all.
If you're silicon is not good, you're better off with pbo.
In my case, with pbo my 3600 was doing 4150 all core boost, and ~4200 single core. All this with the usual high voltages.
With manual i am stable at 4400 with 1.26v


To op: i recommend p95 with avx disabled for testing, if it's not stable then raise voltage or lower frequency. For AVX loads stability testing i find realbench a good compromise.
If you fail p95 and/or realbench, that means at some point some software will surely randomly crash/bsod your pc.
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Quote: Originally Posted by rares495 View Post
Best suggestion is do not OC your CPU at all. There is no need to OC Ryzen 2nd gen.
I had read this also but with just PBO clock speeds are lower and temps/voltages are higher so it seems a no brainier to me unless the earlier cpu's that people reviewed just werent as good ?
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Best suggestion is do not OC your CPU at all. There is no need to OC Ryzen 2nd gen.
Better stick to your RAM advices because about 3600 ocing it's obvious that u have no correct info.

The difference on the 3600 with and without Ocing is quite obvious.
And of course with manual OC the results are even better.

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Better stick to your RAM advices because about 3600 ocing it's obvious that u have no correct info.

The difference on the 3600 with and without Ocing is quite obvious.
And of course with manual OC the results are even better.

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I guess after confirming stability with the CPU overclock it would be time to move onto my RAM with some tighter timings.

Unfortunately it seems my RAM isnt great and even with Ryzen DRAM Calculator it doesnt seem to reduce/tighten the timings much but I gave it a go and inputted in the settings it provided and I could'nt get it to boot at all.
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