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New 3600 very hot and low scores? *scratching head*

So I recently finally upgraded my set up from a 4690k & 390X trying to decide whether to go the 8700K route or go AMD with room to upgrade for about the same price, the 2070S OC'd nice running stable at 2040 core & 7500(15k) memory, ram is stable at 3400 without changing the main timings, it says chip quality 93% and potential to OC to 4110 CL16 but not sure how far to go considering I only want it to get as many frames as possible while remaining stable, however the biggest disappointment so far is the 3600, I am reusing my Pure Rock cooler with NT-H1 paste rather than the Wraith Stealth as its a more mid range cooler which was getting good temps on the 4690K, but even stock its getting terrible temps under Prime95, I know prime is very hard on the CPU but if its good on prime I am confident it can handle just about anything and it should more than handle it with an aftermarket cooler on stock settings! not sure why the TDC and PPT values are maxed in Ryzen master while on Prime95 stock as this board should be capable of maxing any chip, even OC a 3950, I can't get it to boost to x43, on latest bios, just seems rather disappointing, my Cinebench scores are also nothing to write home about, way lower than what people have been posting in 3600 reviews, is there something I am missing here? or did I just get a bad chip? would this be considered RMA'able? Can't really think of any reason why this would be especially having 1 NF-F12 blowing cold air from front, 2 exhausting right out the CPU from top and side, 1 stock fan blowing cool air directly between GPU and CPU and 1 also from front, CPU fan is set to 100% at all times due to motherboard only having 3 headers one being AIO pump which has to run 100% and the other 2 control the exhaust fans near the CPU cooler as they go real loud compared to the CPU fan, when I cranked the all cores clock to 4.2 or 4.3 it was stable with less than 1.35 volts but the temps were around 95-103 degrees! with this cooler it should not even be possible. I added the GPU and RAM data to show that there is nothing wrong with the machine other than the CPU. What do you guys think?
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Your temp in P95 for the cpu seems normal. What's the 88c for? Could be the chipset or bork reading.

Both your Multi and Single scores in Cine are a bit low but not too bad. I get about 196 at stock.

Notice your fan for the cpu cooler is sucking prolly warmer air from the gpu. You can prolly make the top fan suck air if not yet and reverse the fan for the cooler to push towards the gpu.

Also, pls run 3D Mark Firestrike Physics test. You should be getting around 19500 points. It would be a easier comparison at stock. This is how i applied the paste on mine.
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Quote: Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post
Your temp in P95 for the cpu seems normal. What's the 88c for? Could be the chipset or bork reading.

Both your Multi and Single scores in Cine are a bit low but not too bad. I get about 196 at stock.

Notice your fan for the cpu cooler is sucking prolly warmer air from the gpu. You can prolly make the top fan suck air if not yet and reverse the fan for the cooler to push towards the gpu.

Also, pls run 3D Mark Firestrike Physics test. You should be getting around 19500 points. It would be a easier comparison at stock. This is how i applied the paste on mine.

not too sure what that temp is for maybe someone with an asus X570-i on here knows, I heard some have been shipped without a thermal pad for the chipset so I might have to check that, the gpu stays completely cool because I am only doing the CPU stress testing and I can touch it and it feels cool to touch, I've thought of that but wouldn't that go against the whole "heat goes up" and from there it wouldn't really have a spot to exhaust, anyhow even without those fans there I should get at the very least 70-80c on overclock.. Thanks a ton for the photo of the 3600 xray, I couldn't find anything specific on the application method so I just spread it with a card then applied some more so there would be plenty there to spread, I will try reapply tonight and report back, the mounting bracket for this cooler definitely isn't the optimal set up but I am wondering whether its just me and my chip or if someone else has had similar issues, this cooler is meant to be in the same category as Hyper 212X EVO, I can't really consider another cooler as my next purchase is gonna be an NZXT H1 with the AIO hence the ITX board but really wanna get this sorted.
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not too sure what that temp is for maybe someone with an asus X570-i on here knows, I heard some have been shipped without a thermal pad for the chipset so I might have to check that, the gpu stays completely cool because I am only doing the CPU stress testing and I can touch it and it feels cool to touch, I've thought of that but wouldn't that go against the whole "heat goes up" and from there it wouldn't really have a spot to exhaust, anyhow even without those fans there I should get at the very least 70-80c on overclock.. Thanks a ton for the photo of the 3600 xray, I couldn't find anything specific on the application method so I just spread it with a card then applied some more so there would be plenty there to spread, I will try reapply tonight and report back, the mounting bracket for this cooler definitely isn't the optimal set up but I am wondering whether its just me and my chip or if someone else has had similar issues, this cooler is meant to be in the same category as Hyper 212X EVO, I can't really consider another cooler as my next purchase is gonna be an NZXT H1 with the AIO hence the ITX board but really wanna get this sorted.
Again, your score in this particular test is within margin of error. Though it is a short test. Like i said, if you can put the fan on the other side in push and the top fan sucking air - it might help a bit in longer load times like in P95. In blend, my sustained clocks was 3.8GHz + with a Noctua U12S cooler and a single fan.

If you can maintain stability at 4.2GHz during normal use including gaming, then go with it. I say, the hell with P95. Firestrike Physics score is just above 20,000 points. Heck, 4.3 will be better.

The heat goes up rule really does not apply inside such a small enclosed space. Air flow is easily directed to go where you want it to go.

Make adjustments to the cpu cooler if you have to but not necessary. I'll just lv things the way they are if i were you. Less handling, less chance of breaking stuff.

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OP whats your power plan in win10 system settings. Whatever you have set now set it to ryzen balanced plan and check again if cpu boosts properly. Also dont OC cpu until you find out why is your cpu not boostings as advertised on default settings


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Temps still unacceptable at 4.2 and hardly acceptable at stock and 37.75x is the most I can achieve with an aftermarket cooler, seems a bit off to me, if anything the CPU should run as advertised with the stock cooler and being unlocked be able to overclock using an aftermarket cooler, this can't even reach the advertised boost clock with an aftermarket cooler and under performing in all of the benchmarks I've done.. :s
I can't help but think I must be missing something here because there is no way they would be able to sell a chip which goes through a binning process to be considered a 3600, unless I am missing some setting or something for it to be boosting right, maybe that has to do something with the thermals, because the TDC and PPT are 100% at stock but nowhere near 100% at 4.2ghz which I set peak core voltage to 1.35v maybe it just needs more voltage to boost? shouldn't really need more than stock tho...
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Temps still unacceptable at 4.2 and hardly acceptable at stock and 37.75x is the most I can achieve with an aftermarket cooler, seems a bit off to me, if anything the CPU should run as advertised with the stock cooler and being unlocked be able to overclock using an aftermarket cooler, this can't even reach the advertised boost clock with an aftermarket cooler and under performing in all of the benchmarks I've done.. :s
I can't help but think I must be missing something here because there is no way they would be able to sell a chip which goes through a binning process to be considered a 3600, unless I am missing some setting or something for it to be boosting right, maybe that has to do something with the thermals, because the TDC and PPT are 100% at stock but nowhere near 100% at 4.2ghz which I set peak core voltage to 1.35v maybe it just needs more voltage to boost? shouldn't really need more than stock tho...
Your CPU cooler is drawing all the hot air from the gfx card. Rotate it 90 degrees to the left.

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Your CPU cooler is drawing all the hot air from the gfx card. Rotate it 90 degrees to the left.
maybe you didnt notice that he has problem to hit max.boost clocks with cpu default settings. Position of cooler isnt important now.
OP whats your idle temps and stop OC because temps are high you can damage cpu

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OP whats your power plan in win10 system settings. Whatever you have set now set it to ryzen balanced plan and check again if cpu boosts properly. Also dont OC cpu until you find out why is your cpu not boostings as advertised on default settings
I've got it at Ryzen High Performance plan, don't really need it clocking down at idle..

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Again, your score in this particular test is within margin of error. Though it is a short test. Like i said, if you can put the fan on the other side in push and the top fan sucking air - it might help a bit in longer load times like in P95. In blend, my sustained clocks was 3.8GHz + with a Noctua U12S cooler and a single fan.

If you can maintain stability at 4.2GHz during normal use including gaming, then go with it. I say, the hell with P95. Firestrike Physics score is just above 20,000 points. Heck, 4.3 will be better.

The heat goes up rule really does not apply inside such a small enclosed space. Air flow is easily directed to go where you want it to go.

Make adjustments to the cpu cooler if you have to but not necessary. I'll just lv things the way they are if i were you. Less handling, less chance of breaking stuff.
The firestrike Physics is at 19073 stock, the whole thing is this set up is less than 2 weeks old and if there is an issue I might as well jump on it now and get it replaced, you mean the rear fan to push air into the case and top to still exhaust? This cpu cooler should be on par with 212x hyper evo without those 2 fans around it and I can definitely confirm the gpu air is not hot under prime test and theres a fan on the side blowing cold air into that spot too.

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Your CPU cooler is drawing all the hot air from the gfx card. Rotate it 90 degrees to the left.
Can't do that, the brackets for it are shipped from germany and are about $20 plus would probably take about 2-4 weeks to ship and a new cooler would be around $60.. Should still be a way better than stock temps especially with those industrial fans there
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I've got it at Ryzen High Performance plan, don't really need it clocking down at idle..



The firestrike Physics is at 19073 stock, the whole thing is this set up is less than 2 weeks old and if there is an issue I might as well jump on it now and get it replaced, you mean the rear fan to push air into the case and top to still exhaust? This cpu cooler should be on par with 212x hyper evo without those 2 fans around it and I can definitely confirm the gpu air is not hot under prime test and theres a fan on the side blowing cold air into that spot too.


Can't do that, the brackets for it are shipped from germany and are about $20 plus would probably take about 2-4 weeks to ship and a new cooler would be around $60.. Should still be a way better than stock temps especially with those industrial fans there
so u have high performance set and vcore is only 1.2v max. ?

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