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Well.... I really don't want to be without a gaming PC for a month while I sort this out with Gigabyte or AMD.

I've already got a Ryzen 3600 on the way for the next test. Like many of you I suspect this is a motherboard issue though. I'm considering ordering a replacement, with the thoughts I can sell whatever motherboard I decide to keep long term. Whatever I lose on the sale will be my "rental fee".

There seems to be a general shortage of X570 motherboards due to COVID-19. I'd even consider a B450 just as something temporary to run the 3600 while waiting for the warranty replacement.

So, what do people recommend for 3950X capable motherboards. I've determined that I don't need these crazy 900Amp capable VRD motherboards. I'm not running that extreme an overclock and like I said previously, I actually run an underclock most the time.

I'm hesitant to do Gigabyte again. I wasn't thrilled with the BIOS before this incident. And the support is disappointing (even the documentation on the website is poor). Who is better?

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Well.... I really don't want to be without a gaming PC for a month while I sort this out with Gigabyte or AMD.

I've already got a Ryzen 3600 on the way for the next test. Like many of you I suspect this is a motherboard issue though. I'm considering ordering a replacement, with the thoughts I can sell whatever motherboard I decide to keep long term. Whatever I lose on the sale will be my "rental fee".

There seems to be a general shortage of X570 motherboards due to COVID-19. I'd even consider a B450 just as something temporary to run the 3600 while waiting for the warranty replacement.

So, what do people recommend for 3950X capable motherboards. I've determined that I don't need these crazy 900Amp capable VRD motherboards. I'm not running that extreme an overclock and like I said previously, I actually run an underclock most the time.

I'm hesitant to do Gigabyte again. I wasn't thrilled with the BIOS before this incident. And the support is disappointing (even the documentation on the website is poor). Who is better?
If you have property insurance, then just try and see if they will cover at least a percentage of your lost.

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Quote: Originally Posted by briank View Post
I'm considering ordering a replacement, with the thoughts I can sell whatever motherboard I decide to keep long term. Whatever I lose on the sale will be my "rental fee".

There seems to be a general shortage of X570 motherboards due to COVID-19. I'd even consider a B450 just as something temporary to run the 3600 while waiting for the warranty replacement.

So, what do people recommend for 3950X capable motherboards?
X570 stock is extremely low. I managed to buy what I consider an acceptable board, the ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus, from BHPhoto. Arrives in 1 week.

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X570 stock is extremely low. I managed to buy what I consider an acceptable board, the ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus, from BHPhoto. Arrives in 1 week.
If you can hold a little more the Tomahawk x570 would be worth it for $200 or $190.

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If you can hold a little more the Tomahawk x570 would be worth it for $200 or $190.
Long term I hope to get a replacement Gigabyte X570 Ultra (or discover it is my CPU that has gone bad). So this TUF X570 will be most likely temporary and I want it as soon as possible to bridge the gap. Thanks for the suggestion though.

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Well.... I really don't want to be without a gaming PC for a month while I sort this out with Gigabyte or AMD.
Anything without a native USB 2.0 controller is not a gaming PC because mice suck when run through a USB 3.0 controller. If you want to buy an actual gaming PC, get a Z77 or Z68 Asus or Gigabyte board on ebay, because those are the last 'gaming' boards made. Then you'll need some Samsung DDR3 like DH0-CH9 or CH0-CH9 or whatever to run 7-7-7-20 1333mhz since looser timings and higher bandwidth feels laggier.

Then you need to adjust all the BIOS settings because there's a big difference in mouse response in doing things like leaving CPU voltage on auto vs manual on the Asus for some unknown reason. But phenomenon like this are on every single board I've ever seen. Then you will need to give up doing things like overclocking because setting CPU speed to anything higher than it's base, non-turbo speed enables turbo boost on the ASUS and feels laggier (I think the Gigabyte boards don't do this tho).

After all is said and done and you set it up properly, the Asus or Gigabyte Z77 or Z68 board will have a DPC latency of 2 with HPET off, use USB 2.0 native controller, and demolish all the new garbage boards made since in mouse movement. Motherboard = $80-150, Samsung DDR 3 = $20-30, 3570k = $40 on ebay vs everything out of stock on Amazon for a ****tier gaming experience.

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Anything without a native USB 2.0 controller is not a gaming PC because mice suck when run through a USB 3.0 controller. If you want to buy an actual gaming PC, get a Z77 or Z68 Asus or Gigabyte board on ebay, because those are the last 'gaming' boards made. Then you'll need some Samsung DDR3 like DH0-CH9 or CH0-CH9 or whatever to run 7-7-7-20 1333mhz since looser timings and higher bandwidth feels laggier.

Then you need to adjust all the BIOS settings because there's a big difference in mouse response in doing things like leaving CPU voltage on auto vs manual on the Asus for some unknown reason. But phenomenon like this are on every single board I've ever seen. Then you will need to give up doing things like overclocking because setting CPU speed to anything higher than it's base, non-turbo speed enables turbo boost on the ASUS and feels laggier (I think the Gigabyte boards don't do this tho).

After all is said and done and you set it up properly, the Asus or Gigabyte Z77 or Z68 board will have a DPC latency of 2 with HPET off, use USB 2.0 native controller, and demolish all the new garbage boards made since in mouse movement. Motherboard = $80-150, Samsung DDR 3 = $20-30, 3570k = $40 on ebay vs everything out of stock on Amazon for a ****tier gaming experience.
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Anything without a native USB 2.0 controller is not a gaming PC because mice suck when run through a USB 3.0 controller. If you want to buy an actual gaming PC, get a Z77 or Z68 Asus or Gigabyte board on ebay, because those are the last 'gaming' boards made. Then you'll need some Samsung DDR3 like DH0-CH9 or CH0-CH9 or whatever to run 7-7-7-20 1333mhz since looser timings and higher bandwidth feels laggier.

Then you need to adjust all the BIOS settings because there's a big difference in mouse response in doing things like leaving CPU voltage on auto vs manual on the Asus for some unknown reason. But phenomenon like this are on every single board I've ever seen. Then you will need to give up doing things like overclocking because setting CPU speed to anything higher than it's base, non-turbo speed enables turbo boost on the ASUS and feels laggier (I think the Gigabyte boards don't do this tho).

After all is said and done and you set it up properly, the Asus or Gigabyte Z77 or Z68 board will have a DPC latency of 2 with HPET off, use USB 2.0 native controller, and demolish all the new garbage boards made since in mouse movement. Motherboard = $80-150, Samsung DDR 3 = $20-30, 3570k = $40 on ebay vs everything out of stock on Amazon for a ****tier gaming experience.

Can't you just run your USB 3 ports in 2.0 mode? Or just get a PCIE to usb 2.0 controller?
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Anything without a native USB 2.0 controller is not a gaming PC because mice suck when run through a USB 3.0 controller. If you want to buy an actual gaming PC, get a Z77 or Z68 Asus or Gigabyte board on ebay, because those are the last 'gaming' boards made. Then you'll need some Samsung DDR3 like DH0-CH9 or CH0-CH9 or whatever to run 7-7-7-20 1333mhz since looser timings and higher bandwidth feels laggier.

Then you need to adjust all the BIOS settings because there's a big difference in mouse response in doing things like leaving CPU voltage on auto vs manual on the Asus for some unknown reason. But phenomenon like this are on every single board I've ever seen. Then you will need to give up doing things like overclocking because setting CPU speed to anything higher than it's base, non-turbo speed enables turbo boost on the ASUS and feels laggier (I think the Gigabyte boards don't do this tho).

After all is said and done and you set it up properly, the Asus or Gigabyte Z77 or Z68 board will have a DPC latency of 2 with HPET off, use USB 2.0 native controller, and demolish all the new garbage boards made since in mouse movement. Motherboard = $80-150, Samsung DDR 3 = $20-30, 3570k = $40 on ebay vs everything out of stock on Amazon for a ****tier gaming experience.
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