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post #71 of 80 (permalink) Old 05-11-2020, 07:06 PM
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Your not? It sure sounded like you were. I am not forming any narrative, I am literally taking what they said at face value, no facts left out, and stating that it is messed up. You can be mad at it or not be mad at it, but it is inacting a policy that is less than they promised, those are facts.

I at no point tried to twist anything and say that they still weren't the better option, or haven't made incredibly products, or still weren't the most competitive in the field, they absolutely are. But all of that doesn't change that this decision was a one that went against AMD's Original "Narrative", and that should be called out, especially right now when there is still time for them to reverse the decision.

And this is the truly sad part. Even if this doesn't effect you (Not you specifically, but everyone who is blatantly defending this move), you should still be able to join those of us whom is does effect and call it out as BS. If you did, there would be a much higher chance of them reversing this decision, and the awesome part about that is, even if you didn't currently own an x470 part, at some point in the future you would still have the option of picking one up and using it with a Zen 3 part. This limits consumer options including yours, and it is going against the expectations that AMD themselves set, that should be enough for people to call it out, but instead people rather defend, or have conversations about why its not the biggest deal in the world, of course its not, but its still a bad decision, and its sad that people can't seem to call it out for what it is, while still acknowledging that they still make damn good products and are an overall great company. Just because they made a bad decision, doesn't take that away, but it does show that they are capable of making the same Kind of moves that Intel makes, and that should be called out.

Sorry though, I understand no one wants to hear me rant so I will f*** off now.

EDIT: I do appreciate the will to have a genuine conversation about it though, I can respect the pursuit of figuring out ones position, I just do genuinely feel this is a poor consumer friendly decision, regardless of whether or not it effects me personally. Anyways, much respect.
It's difficult to understand someone's feelings and motives behind a text, so you could say I didn't set the expectation from the beginning that I was not in no way shape or form trying to pick a fight. My apologies. I will admit that this does not affect me as much as the next person because I am satisfied with what I have (1600x, B450) and decided back in 2017 that my next upgrade would be 3+ solid generation jumps. Even though I'll still gladly support any and all initiatives for better consumer practice. I haven't been fully looking into any petitions or poles, but if you do come across any, please DM me and I'll gladly add my name to it. Come to think of it, I'm going to twitter message Lisa Su. Not to bash or hate, just to say that it might be in AMD's best intrest in the future to fully and clearly set the expectation for future support and EOL.

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At least we got 3 years vs 1 year on Intel. It's something.

that was my thought.

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It's difficult to understand someone's feelings and motives behind a text, so you could say I didn't set the expectation from the beginning that I was not in no way shape or form trying to pick a fight. My apologies. I will admit that this does not affect me as much as the next person because I am satisfied with what I have (1600x, B450) and decided back in 2017 that my next upgrade would be 3+ solid generation jumps. Even though I'll still gladly support any and all initiatives for better consumer practice. I haven't been fully looking into any petitions or poles, but if you do come across any, please DM me and I'll gladly add my name to it. Come to think of it, I'm going to twitter message Lisa Su. Not to bash or hate, just to say that it might be in AMD's best intrest in the future to fully and clearly set the expectation for future support and EOL.

Take care, stay safe!
Appreciate ya man! And its all good, I take things too seriously sometimes, thats my bad. I do appreciate your logic though, its always good thing to be challenged on issues, makes you really think about not only your positions, but the opposite as well, and that is a good thing for everyone to consider.

I have also sent a tweet to Lisa Su. Same exact intentions, no hate at all, just telling her I support her company, but it would be nice and good for their image to reverse this decision. Shes a multi billion dollar CEO (I Assume, I haven't actually looked that up, so don't quote me on that one, lol) so she has no reason to listen to us, but its nice to think that she might take interest if she gets nice messages about it from enough people (As long as no one is an out right D**K, then that kind of undermines the whole thing.

But at the end of the day, no matter what happens, we still got our money's worth, so while I think it would be really awesome if this changes, I am not stupid enough to just jump ship if the product is still better than the competition.

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According to der8auer, AMD has reversed course and WILL be supporting Zen 3 on B450 and X470 motherboards.




Hardware Unboxed is reporting the same thing.



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If they offer Ryzen 4000 only AGESA, I'm pretty sure we should be able to mod boards like the X370 ROG Crosshair VI. With USB flashback option, you can't really brick it.
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If they offer Ryzen 4000 only AGESA, I'm pretty sure we should be able to mod boards like the X370 ROG Crosshair VI. With USB flashback option, you can't really brick it.
Yup. The only thing is the Crosshair VI is a 16MB Rom, I thought it was a 32MB, but I was mistaken. But as you said, we would be modding it, so to a certain extent we can choose where to put in the Code. This is so awesome!

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Adding Ryzen Gen. 4 support to 300-series boards most likely won't be possible through modding, or even through the means available to ODMs in case they wanted to help their customers in this regard.

For 400-series boards with 128Mbit NOR on them, maybe, as its not blocked lineup of SKUs, but I expect that the ODMs cannot help with that either in case the community fails.

So at this point I wouldn't expect that 400-series boards outside of ASUS Crosshair VII Hero, ASUS X470-F GAMING, ASUS X470-I GAMING, ASUS X470-PRO and ASUS X470-PLUS GAMING, ASRock X470 Taichi and MSI MAX 400-series boards will support 4th gen. Ryzen, even in theory.

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Adding Ryzen Gen. 4 support to 300-series boards most likely won't be possible through modding, or even through the means available to ODMs in case they wanted to help their customers in this regard.

For 400-series boards with 128Mbit NOR on them, maybe, as its not blocked lineup of SKUs, but I expect that the ODMs cannot help with that either in case the community fails.

So at this point I wouldn't expect that 400-series boards outside of ASUS Crosshair VII Hero, ASUS X470-F GAMING, ASUS X470-I GAMING, ASUS X470-PRO and ASUS X470-PLUS GAMING, ASRock X470 Taichi and MSI MAX 400-series boards will support 4th gen. Ryzen, even in theory.
Appreciate the heads Up @The Stilt

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Appreciate the heads Up @The Stilt

So basically if you have a 32MB (256Mb) ROM, than Manufactures may decide to give us support, but if you have a 16MB (128Mb) Rom, don't get your hopes up at all, it may not even be possible.
I don't expect that AMD will allow the CPUs to run on 300-series chipsets at all.

In case the 300-series chipsets, despite the official incompability aren't explicitly blocked, then at least ASRock X370 Taichi users can mod their board by replacing the existing 128Mbit NOR with a compatible 256Mbit one and start using
X470 Taichi bios, which is otherwise compatible and among the supported boards due to its chipset and sufficient NOR size. Requires soldering but is generally extremely easy to do, but obviously its not something that the masses would and could do.
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I don't expect that AMD will allow the CPUs to run on 300-series chipsets at all.

In case the 300-series chipsets, despite the official incompability aren't explicitly blocked, then at least ASRock X370 Taichi users can mod their board by replacing the existing 128Mbit NOR with a compatible 256Mbit one and start using
X470 Taichi bios, which is otherwise compatible and among the supported boards due to its chipset and sufficient NOR size. Requires soldering but is generally extremely easy to do, but obviously its not something that the masses would and could do.
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