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post #21 of 52 (permalink) Old 06-27-2020, 01:11 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rares495 View Post
No, it won't.

There isn't a single case of degradation on 12nm with just 1.4V
There's alot of case of degradation even at lower voltage... Voltage, temp and current cause degradation, saying 1.4v is safe is false.



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I’d be happy to provide more info for anyone who is curious. My system consists of a Ryzen 5 3600 and a Corsair H100i with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal paste. The radiator is front mounted in a push/pull configuration with the 2 included ML 120mm fans on the inside and 2 of my random brand (47.8 CFM, 1200 RPM I think) RGB case fans on the outside. In total the case has 6 of those random brand fans. The case is a Cooler Master MasterBox NR600. Mobo is ASRock X570 Extreme 4 WiFi. PSU is EVGA 700 Watt BR 80% Bronze. RAM is G.Skill Ripjaws V at 3600 MHz C16 (IF Clock is at 1800 MHz). Not sure if anything else is relevant but if so, let me know.

How can I post screenshots? I’ve never participated in a forum like this but I thought it said I couldn’t post pics with my membership level, or something like that.

And yes, I mentioned PBO. I believe it was on default but I’ve been struggling with PBO today. I tried to redo the test today with what I thought was again PBO w default settings but this time I got a different number for SVI2 TFN (I think it was like 1.19 V this time). But again when I closed HWInfo, switched to my 4.3 GHz OC, and reopened HWInfo in Prime95 Small, it was the same 1.19 V, so I have concluded that I don’t know what I’m doing at all with this part. My computer also crashed this time in Prime 95 Small with PBO with PPT turned up as well as with PBO on default, both in less than 2 minutes.

I was also able to tinker with my OC a little and the lowest voltage I could get the all core 4.3 GHz stable at was 1.2375 V. That was idling around 34 C, 51 C max in Fortnite w epic settings, and a max of 78 C in Prime 95 Small, all perfectly stable. I believe it hit a max temp in Cinebench R20 of 61 C and scored 3715. Is there any way this OC is NOT safer and better than stock or PBO?? I know I obviously don’t fully understand everything at play here, but I would love someone to explain it to me. I’ve never seen any core frequency go above the 4.2 GHz it gets stock without this OC and with the OC it’s at considerably lower temps in any application compared to stock or PBO.
61c is a pretty good temp, as long you dont run p95 24/7 or heavy renders, 4.3Ghz 1.2375V shouldn't hurt your chip.

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Quote: Originally Posted by DAM20 View Post
There's alot of case of degradation even at lower voltage... Voltage, temp and current cause degradation, saying 1.4v is safe is false.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHUz16MuYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fE-cHm8ut0
You're not showing cases, just theory. Show me something concrete or just leave it alone. You're wrong.

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How long do you guys intend to keep your cpu expecting no degradation? I used 1.39v for 4.1GHz on my R7 2700 for close to two years and i see no sign of wearing. Just recently set it down to 4GHz @ 1.35v to ease strain to the 10 yr old psu. Bought this chip for 200$ open box in Micro Center 2 yrs ago.

Close to ten years ago i subjected my Zosma to 1.6v during benching and 1.4v for 4GHz daily for about same time. It is serving for HTPC purposes at stock.

Anyway, here is what The Stilt has to say about P95 on Ryzen but not sure if still stands.
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Quote: Originally Posted by rares495 View Post
You're not showing cases, just theory. Show me something concrete or just leave it alone. You're wrong.
You can try it yourself, put 1.4v on your chip at max LLC, test it for a year and here you go :3

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You can try it yourself, put 1.4v on your chip at max LLC, test it for a year and here you go :3
I don't own a Zen+ chip anymore. You're still not showing anything concrete btw.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rares495 View Post
I don't own a Zen+ chip anymore. You're still not showing anything concrete btw.
I showed you math that you refuse to see coz are 50 min videos

This guy tested 4 chips
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ltages_tested/

2 min of google search btw

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Quote: Originally Posted by DAM20 View Post
I showed you math that you refuse to see coz are 50 min videos

This guy tested 4 chips
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ltages_tested/

2 min of google search btw
I can easily type "my 3600 degrades at 1.05V". That's not concrete. The guy's tests are useless because he doesn't provide any evidence nor any info: what was the max frequency initially? in what way did the chip degrade? can it not reach the max frequency anymore, is it not stable at baseclock or does it need higher voltage to do baseclock/boost?

Still waiting for something concrete.

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You would know if your cpu has degraded if it cannot oc at same voltage someday. Set at 1.4v in BIOS.
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I can easily type "my 3600 degrades at 1.05V". That's not concrete. The guy's tests are useless because he doesn't provide any evidence nor any info: what was the max frequency initially? in what way did the chip degrade? can it not reach the max frequency anymore, is it not stable at baseclock or does it need higher voltage to do baseclock/boost?

Still waiting for something concrete.
OF COURSE! xd

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