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post #31851 of 43393 (permalink) Old 12-21-2017, 05:05 PM
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I JUST got my hands on a set of the new 3200 "Ryzen Specific" Samsung B TridentZ RGB. So far it's set D.O.C.P. standard, set a bunch of timings and PLL/CLOVDDP on it's own, and didn't do the 3 try fail-boot I'm used to with my 3600 RAM. running solid at 14-14-14-14-34-50 1T @ 1.35v. I'll be running tests over the next few days.

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Originally Posted by lordzed83 View Post

Well i had a play with sensor offset yesterday and its like.

Cpu -19mw soc -24mv memory -34mw pll -9mw.
Thats on my motherboard.

Its not One figure fix all aensors as You see.

How are you measuring this? Are you using a multimeter and then checking what HWinFO reports? Or are you going purely by what you've set in BIOS and then checking what HWinFO reports? My motherboard seems to droop up to 60mV when going from idle to load even with LLC3 and I'm wondering if this is sensor related.
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I just want to post some of my "unscientific" findings with Ryzen.

I have C6H, Prime X370-Pro, and an Asrock B350M Pro4 boards.

I have FlareX 3200MT 2x8GB, and TridentZ RGB 3200MT 2x16GB RAM kits. Both are Samsung B-Die.

I have had Ryzen 1200, 1300X, 1500X, 1600, 1600X, 1700, 1700X, and two 1800X CPUs come through my possession.

All boards have been able to run 3200MT with at least the XMP timings since AGESA on each CPU tested.

My testing was unscientific, and my results are not documented. Only a few of these chips were in my possession as my own, and some of them were only available to me for a few days max. Thus my conclusions are my own and should be taken as just opinion.

Using either the C6H or Prime X370-Pro and any one of the CPUs I have NOT been able to achieve a stable 4GHz overclock. By stable I mean IBT/LinX for several hours at least and 4K HEVC encode workload surpassing 5+ hours of full CPU utilization. The MAXIMUM stable clock I was able to achieve and complete stability testing with any of these CPUs or boards was 3975MHz while keeping under 1.5v as measured by HWInfo64 SVI2 TFN sensor on CPU.

My conclusion is that AMD is already pushing this current generation of it's CPU architecture and IMC design to it's limit. The Ryzen 2 (Zen+) will probably bring some more maturity to both the CPU architecture and IMC, but I don't think we will see any higher clocks out of this generation through motherboard or BIOS updates. Memory compatibility sure, but raw CPU clocks no. Additionally, the Zen architecture is shared pretty much across AMD's entire line-up right now, so I assume the chips are heavily binned with the best wafers going toward Threadripper or EPYC. I have personally seen 4050MHz tested stable on a 1950X, which is an incredible achievement compared to our consumer level chips because of having double the odds of a weaker core as compared to an 1800X.

I know there are golden chips out there and I'm not saying anyone who is claiming 4000-4100mhz isn't telling the truth, but I simply do not trust any users/YouTubers/Reviewers who claim to have acheived a 100% stable 4GHz or higher overclock unless they post their evidence. Especially the reviewers and YouTubers, because they all claim to have done so yet I have tested 9 different chips and haven't seen one that can do it.

I simply do not believe the vast majority of Ryzen chips can sustain 4GHz on all cores under safe voltage for more than a short period of time. I won't call anyone out for it, but I also won't believe anyone's claims unless they post valid stability tests.

That being said, I am so happy that AMD is back at the table and I am eagerly looking forward to their next revision!

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Well said. smile.gif
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post #31855 of 43393 (permalink) Old 12-21-2017, 08:24 PM - Thread Starter
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Good to see mainly positive reactions on the new BIOS. Most of that credit should go to AMD. I do recall that P-state overclocking might work better on this one.

Originally Posted by mtrai View Post

I would test it but this is only the C6H not the C6H WiFI. lol.
Originally Posted by procitysam View Post

Does anyone know if the BIOS 3101 file will work on a C6H WiFi or is this only for the C6H? SHA256 48ac8b04a54eff6c0054ee5c737aa41ad52f8ce9c03366cfc440fd730ed0961c SHA256 785c4b5352756c54aa68873f2bc1c90457d54d8692be74f95754721d657bc3d0
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Originally Posted by elmor View Post

Good to see mainly positive reactions on the new BIOS. Most of that credit should go to AMD. I do recall that P-state overclocking might work better on this one.




PState is better on the Retail bios, or the current beta?

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Definitely getting there on this platform. I just hope AMD can port some of the good things to the TR4 side.

My C6H is doing well with this one, feeling snappy.
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Wow, glad to read all this new positive feedback, my C6H come on the mail today, my 1600 or 1600x will arrive the first week of the year, I'm not afraid anymore jejeje

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Originally Posted by elmor View Post

Good to see mainly positive reactions on the new BIOS. Most of that credit should go to AMD. I do recall that P-state overclocking might work better on this one. SHA256 48ac8b04a54eff6c0054ee5c737aa41ad52f8ce9c03366cfc440fd730ed0961c SHA256 785c4b5352756c54aa68873f2bc1c90457d54d8692be74f95754721d657bc3d0

The Asus Prime Pro x370 have beta bios with AGESA update? or with other improvements? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by loganj View Post

@Elmor: Please add HPET ON/OFF option in BIOS.
Please, and South bridge Spread Spectrum control.

This would be awesome.

Latest Bios works good here to.

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