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post #41911 of 43364 (permalink) Old 07-19-2019, 07:38 PM
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hey guys, are you able to help OC my ram? I have a G SKill trident 3200mhz, when I tried to increase it with DOCP with 3600MHZ it freezes on games.

Is there a guide on how to OC the memory properly? Not sure if its Bdie?
Welp, it's like this...

1) Just setting the RAM Speed to 3600 on your 3200 RAM is not gonna get it done. You will also need to play with the timings if it is even possible to get it there; it might not be...

2) There IS a Ryzen RAM Calculator maintained by 1usmus on this forum that can help figure out those timings, and there are good instructions on how to use it if you are reasonably comfortable poking around in your BIOS config's advanced settings (again, elsewhere on this forum - just Google Ryzen RAM calculator and you will find the relevant page here). The biggest problem is that...

3) There really isn't definitive info on what type of RAM chips are used on most memory modules. The manufacturer's don't disclose it. Sometimes you can make reasonable guesses based on the modules rated timings and sometimes it's just not clear at all. Some enthusiasts try to keep spreadsheets over what memory types are associated with what memory module part numbers by manufacturer, but even so, sometimes the same part numbers can be represent RAM modules made from different manufacturer/model RAM chips. And again even so, there are a lot of "mystery" RAM sticks out there. My Corsair Vengeance PRO RAM 2x8G DDR4-3600 CL18 kit (CMW16GX4M2D3600C18) is such mystery RAM.

The take home is this - you are gonna have to keep poking around with it until you find something stable. The Ryzen RAM calculator is helpful in getting you there. Unless your RAM modules are super popular and well documented, you are going to have a fair amount of guesswork. YOU WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY HAVE TO REBOOT DOZENS OF TIMES AND EVEN THEN YOU MIGHT NOT GET ANYTHING BETTER THAN WHAT THE DOCP PROFILE GIVES YOU.

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post #41912 of 43364 (permalink) Old 07-19-2019, 07:51 PM
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My Corsair Vengeance PRO RAM 2x8G DDR4-3600 CL18 kit (CMW16GX4M2D3600C18) is such mystery RAM.
Check the RAM in Thaiphoon Burner, according to this image I found via google, CMW16GX4M2D3600C18 is Micron E-die.
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Thanks heaps guys I'll try it out, I'll give it a whirl and let you know how I go
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Quote: Originally Posted by rob87 View Post
hey guys, are you able to help OC my ram? I have a G SKill trident 3200mhz, when I tried to increase it with DOCP with 3600MHZ it freezes on games.

Is there a guide on how to OC the memory properly? Not sure if its Bdie?
A lot to read, but should help you out.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-a...ram-bench.html

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Thanks heaps guys I'll try it out, I'll give it a whirl and let you know how I go
Agreed, use Thaiphoon Burner to identify current setup along with Ryzen Dram Calculator https://www.overclock.net/forum/26417503-post1.html
and if you're shopping for B-Die memory this may be of some help https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

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Check the RAM in Thaiphoon Burner, according to this image I found via google, CMW16GX4M2D3600C18 is Micron E-die.
Cool, thanks! I did several searches on it and couldn't find anything...

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Regarding my Rev 103 Crosshair VI Hero I just replaced with the Extreme:

My cousin just got in the Ryzen 3600X he bought for a new build tonight and graciously allowed me to test it on my C6 Hero. I started out by using Flashback to get the new 7201 BIOS on it without CPU, RAM or Video card installed (was originally at 7106). It works perfectly through multiple resets (including cold boots). DOCP (XMP) is working properly as well using my Corsair DDR4-3200 Samsung B-Die memory kit.

Good to know... Rev 103 might not be the issue after all.

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For overclocking of ram, should I do it in bios or ryzen master?

Currently running 3800X with 4 sticks of 8GB Hynix CJR running at XMP 3200 and so far no boot issues. Just afraid that tinkering in bios would cause the boot issues.
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For overclocking of ram, should I do it in bios or ryzen master?

Currently running 3800X with 4 sticks of 8GB Hynix CJR running at XMP 3200 and so far no boot issues. Just afraid that tinkering in bios would cause the boot issues.
If you are one of those lucky ones that got a 3000 series CPU working on this board with no issues, then you're golden. Don't worry about it. All that would remain for you to do in the case of problems would be to Clear CMOS. Nothing you change in there should make it suddenly stop working in a way that the Clear CMOS won't fix.

Not everyone here is so lucky as that.

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My voltages for 3600x is hitting around 1.40+ is this normal for the 3600x? Temps are going around 40 degrees on boot and in BIOS? I remember my 2700x was hitting around 30 degrees.. currently using Corsair H115 Extreme 280mm

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