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post #9151 of 9180 (permalink) Old 03-18-2019, 02:22 AM
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can anyone elaborate on this: "...significantly reduced performance compared to x570."?

I'm not sure why would this be. I'm not a benchmark guy. I would go with 3000mhz aegis RAM and I don't run SLI or similar. Just 1 GPU (GTX1660 / RX590 class) with 1-3 sata SSDs.

However I do like to OC so maybe that's what it ment?

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post #9152 of 9180 (permalink) Old 03-18-2019, 02:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by geronimo View Post
can anyone elaborate on this: "...significantly reduced performance compared to x570."?

I'm not sure why would this be. I'm not a benchmark guy. I would go with 3000mhz aegis RAM and I don't run SLI or similar. Just 1 GPU (GTX1660 / RX590 class) with 1-3 sata SSDs.

However I do like to OC so maybe that's what it ment?

thnaks.
Those are all speculation for now but...... Ryzen 2 works better on second gen chipset MBs so by that logic 5xx chipset MBs may be better of with 3rd gen Ryzen. Actual chipset didn't make as much difference as did better MB optimization with 4xx chipsets. Most of improvement is actually to memory handling and very little to do with chipset itself.
No doubt that there will be some improvement with new MBs with new chipsets but how much and what will be improved we can only wait and see. Shouldn't be long now when first trials are released to public. Judging by new BIOS and AGESA versions AMD and MB manufacturers, they must be working on those feverishly.

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"...significantly reduced performance compared to x570."?
To me that means VRM. If the power phases in our boards cannot handle a 16 core Zen2 I might have to upgrade. But I doubt it as this one is handling my 1800x fully OCd and with some juice left on the tank.

We have to wait and see. The rumored 16 core Zen2 TDP are 125W and 135W at stock respectively, more than my 1800x's 95W. Maybe it will be too much while OCed.

Also, if the 12 core runs faster than the 16 core I might get that one. I don't think I really need 16 cores.

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I suppose, PBO that will future in ZEN2 may not be accessible on X370 boards, just like it is not working with 2700X on latest bioses and we have to use modded older ones to get it working, ZEN2 will certainly have something like that. PCIEx 4.0 will for sure not work on all slots, hopefully it will on Slot 1 and 2 for working SLI support, we may not have an ability to use NVMe devices that use PCIEx 4.0 lines for even more performance and lastly new X570 chipset is supposed to have at least PCIEx 3.0 connections instead of current 2.0 so now it would be possible to insert fully working NVMe devices in the rest of free slots. I know the link between chipset and CPU will be limiting (but it may be based on PCIEx 4.0 instead of 3.0 like now so the speed will be 2x) simultaneous speed for such devices so RAID0 is not really in the stars but we can have more fast drives that way.
I will be observing bios changes but in the end, if I jump on ZEN2, I will probably buy whole new PC, the one I'm using will go to my kids, even my 1080Ti will go to them as it does not support PCIEx 4.0.

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Fifth series will be absolutely different containing PCIe 4 and other features compared to very similar 370 and 470. Our oldy mother will be far behind upcoming x570 in overall performance with Zen2 and may not support 12-16 cores. It was no real reason to buy x470 if you have x370, but it will be a lot of reasons to buy x570 if you want to get 16 cores and Navy. All my thoughts are based on rumors and sorry for off topic.

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I suppose, PBO that will future in ZEN2 may not be accessible on X370 boards, just like it is not working with 2700X on latest bioses and we have to use modded older ones to get it working, ZEN2 will certainly have something like that. PCIEx 4.0 will for sure not work on all slots, hopefully it will on Slot 1 and 2 for working SLI support, we may not have an ability to use NVMe devices that use PCIEx 4.0 lines for even more performance and lastly new X570 chipset is supposed to have at least PCIEx 3.0 connections instead of current 2.0 so now it would be possible to insert fully working NVMe devices in the rest of free slots. I know the link between chipset and CPU will be limiting (but it may be based on PCIEx 4.0 instead of 3.0 like now so the speed will be 2x) simultaneous speed for such devices so RAID0 is not really in the stars but we can have more fast drives that way.
I believe this is the most probable reason for the expected reduction of performance and in addition it is also possible a core count/frequency limit could be introduced if somebody decides VRM on x370 isn't sufficient for new CPUs.

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Hi @Reous ,
not posting for an ETA, just asking if you planned to work and prepare a mod 4406 bios for PRIME X370 PRO and hopefully the usefull stock profiles to enable PBO and Bus Spread on it (as you have done for 4207).

Thanks for taking us updated!

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@smeroni68 Nothing planned. PBO and Bus Spread are broken with the new Bios 4406 and not working. With the next upcoming Bios PBO should work like on the X470-Pro with 4602 Bios but Bus Spread still broken. I will wait for the next Bios there at least PBO is working again.
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@smeroni68 Nothing planned. PBO and Bus Spread are broken with the new Bios 4406 and not working. With the next upcoming Bios PBO should work like on the X470-Pro with 4602 Bios but Bus Spread still broken. I will wait for the next Bios there at least PBO is working again.
Thanks for explaining... let's wait for next bios and hope PBO it's fixed.

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Bios 4602

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