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post #7621 of 7640 (permalink) Old 05-22-2020, 02:25 AM
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Just need either a SOIC8 32mb/64mb chip or a WSON-8 32mb NOR flash chip
Well SOIC-8 is easier, and 1.8v would be preffered
Tho the board should also accept 2.6v models, or even 3.2v ones - just needs later a bios fix to identify it, if it doesn't even do it automatically

This method, would require for you to have an SPI flasher - as somehow the bios has to be pushed to it
But it would be about an 8-10$ upgrade, IF AMD can't get Zen2+Zen3 into a single 16mb partition, or IF you want zen1 & zen+ backwards support = the whole X470 bios instead of only the 2nd partition of it
Can you provide us links to grab them from ebay or other stores the specificis to be ready SOIC8 64mb and the SPI flasher?To tranform it to x470 once for ever.
I can look up what is needed
there are soo many flashchips, from that many different brands
usually places like aliexpress or joybuy would sell them for 2-3$
Ebay idk if anyone would sell it that cheap, without big quantity
in your daily electronic shop you should be able to find such tiny parts - there are just many options and all of them work

Else sure, we can make a standard and provide later a bios with this specific chip known into it
A formal guide
But it's a bit early to do so - and it would be good to have yourself first success before writing a guide for everyone
Let's first see how amd plans to resolve this, as slides show that Zen 4 support should already be inside AGESA 1005
We'll see, give it a bit of time - maybe we don't need to change the romchip so far

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to get amd for support ZEN3 CPU on X370, maybe we can go amd reddit there to make some noise like B450 user lol.

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At this point I wouldn't do any NOR shopping for future, since I expect AMD to block 300-series chipsets through PSP chipset pairing feature. If thats the case, then there is no chance to get it to work, unless
the FCH is replaced with a 400-series SKU as well. Technically that isn't too hard either, but if it goes to that, there isn't much point really.
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At this point I wouldn't do any NOR shopping for future, since I expect AMD to block 300-series chipsets through PSP chipset pairing feature. If thats the case, then there is no chance to get it to work, unless
the FCH is replaced with a 400-series SKU as well. Technically that isn't too hard either, but if it goes to that, there isn't much point really.

So we are in the end of the road for Taichi x370.What about Asrock support,are they willing to get us an unofficial support under the table as enthusiast board?
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This is all i want

Ryzen 3000+4000 Support
Ryzen 2000+4000 Support
Ryzen 1000+4000 Support


Make a bios with each of those options for every single B450-X470 and then back port them to the 300 series.


Talk about the best solution for all of us.

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LOl i might just buy a B550 Tomahawk when it comes out as long as their's NO chipset fan. Gonna be the last DDR4 setup anyways gonna keep Zen 3 and my 32GB of DDR4 Samsung B-die memory for a LONG time(Like sandy based users).

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This is all i want

Ryzen 3000+4000 Support
Ryzen 2000+4000 Support
Ryzen 1000+4000 Support


Make a bios with each of those options for every single B450-X470 and then back port them to the 300 series.


Talk about the best solution for all of us.
It isn't even remotely realistic from the ODM resource point of a view.

AGESA itself is not the issue, but expecting the ODM to build three different variants for each bios version for obsolete products is just insane.
Each bios engineer typically has to take care of > 10+ SKUs so increasing their workload threefold... Not going to happen.

Besides, I'm expecting 400-series to release couple beta bioses (similar to e.g. MSI 300-series with 3rd gen. Ryzen) not continuous or full bios support.
So more than likely the 4th gen. CPU support will greatly vary on even on the 400-series motherboards.
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Quote: Originally Posted by polkfan View Post
This is all i want

Ryzen 3000+4000 Support
Ryzen 2000+4000 Support
Ryzen 1000+4000 Support

Make a bios with each of those options for every single B450-X470 and then back port them to the 300 series.
Talk about the best solution for all of us.
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It isn't even remotely realistic from the ODM resource point of a view.

AGESA itself is not the issue, but expecting the ODM to build three different variants for each bios version for obsolete products is just insane.
Each bios engineer typically has to take care of > 10+ SKUs so increasing their workload threefold... Not going to happen.

Besides, I'm expecting 400-series to release couple beta bioses (similar to e.g. MSI 300-series with 3rd gen. Ryzen) not continuous or full bios support.
So more than likely the 4th gen. CPU support will greatly vary on even on the 400-series motherboards.
mm~
Asrock shouldn't have a big team after all, looking why they even took the path of downporting their bios without much work to remove old modules
Their bios still have some bios strings of Intel systems back then, but are hidden
(tho the same blame goes to MSI too)

Technically it would be beyond stupidity to only allow X470, where only a fraction of the boards come with a big enough rom-chip
And then go a mile further to block anything that's not Promontory LP
Nor would ASRock start to consider blocking it, while we had crossconvert support for 2+ years as it seems

But it's true, two things remain to be considered
- Are we getting blocked on anything that's non 5xx
- Will AMD be able to reuse Matisse Modules, or will Renoir & Vermeer go as whole package alone

The last part is important because of 3 things
Most 16 Chips support 2 partitions, but not all do allow 3 way splitting ~ same for 32mb romchips
^ this is taking into consideration they can fit in 4xxx gen into one 16mb package, as Matisse is already big enough on it's own

Many things are needed to be into consideration before preparing for a full convert
And someone will have to main this
ASRock, well their bios team wouldn't be bigger than 3 people at best ~ including the intel lineup here
Either X470 will EOL at the same time, or we will get a chance to continue
So far there are too many unclear points to consider - soo let's wait out and see how things will stand

@polkfan at absolute best it would be 1000+2000, 3000+4000
Although Vermeer & Renoir might end up too big, to be paired with Matisse together as one 16mb partition
4 bioses are a nightmare to maintain, from AMDs side and from the Board Partners
two = 3 generations were already flickery and buggy, pushing bios engineers to lazy crossport bioses down

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There is no reason for the partioning besides the fact that 16MB is the largest 24-bit access size.
Nothing technically prevents you from building a 16MB ROM which would have e.g. Summit Ridge and Vermeer support in the same partition.
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