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post #7631 of 7640 (permalink) Old 05-22-2020, 08:46 PM
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There is no reason for the partitioning besides the fact that 16MB is the largest 24-bit access size.
Nothing technically prevents you from building a 16MB ROM which would have e.g. Summit Ridge and Vermeer support in the same partition.
This is a hint for the address bus size on Summit Ridge & Pinnacle Ridge, correct ?
Do you know if Raven Ridge had the same issues ?

I wonder why it wasn't thought on beforehand with Pinnacle Ridge, before releasing X470 & B450
Or was it ?
The difference between 24 and 32-bit is quite significant, it should've ringed some bells
Maybe space concerns on the substrate ?

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This is all i want

Ryzen 3000+4000 Support
Ryzen 2000+4000 Support
Ryzen 1000+4000 Support


Make a bios with each of those options for every single B450-X470 and then back port them to the 300 series.


Talk about the best solution for all of us.
Not even a remote chance...Unless you can maintain a proper businesscase for this. Which there isn't....

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Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
This is a hint for the address bus size on Summit Ridge & Pinnacle Ridge, correct ?
Do you know if Raven Ridge had the same issues ?

I wonder why it wasn't thought on beforehand with Pinnacle Ridge, before releasing X470 & B450
Or was it ?
The difference between 24 and 32-bit is quite significant, it should've ringed some bells
Maybe space concerns on the substrate ?
Not really, its from the SPI standard directly.
Normally SPI flashes operate in 24-bit mode. For larger flashes 4-byte mode (4BA) had to be added, so they can be accessed.
This has nothing to do with AMD specifically, its due to the interface itself. Every > 128Mbit NOR flash datasheet will contain info about the 4BA access mode.
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Not really, its from the SPI standard directly.
Normally SPI flashes operate in 24-bit mode. For larger flashes 4-byte mode (4BA) had to be added, so they can be accessed.
This has nothing to do with AMD specifically, its due to the interface itself. Every > 128Mbit NOR flash datasheet will contain info about the 4BA access mode.
ooh, i see~

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to get amd for support ZEN3 CPU on X370, maybe we can go amd reddit there to make some noise like B450 user lol.

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B550 Taichi

Looks amazing i might actually just grab one if its priced well i expect B550 to cost $100-200, We could probably sell our boards for a good half that amount anyways and move to the newest chipset. $199.99 is most likely the price i mean this is built extremely well might even go above that this looks like a X470 Taichi board with some PCI-E 5.0 love. With no yucky loud chipset fan under the GPU.

Looks like the Tomahawk might have some competition this time around.

Why did the x570 need a fan b550 still has a PCI-E 4.0 M.2 slot and a PCI-E X16 4.0 slot directly connected with the CPU?


Amd needs to heavily do this for AM5-Now that they are bigger and matter again maybe motherboard manufactures will listen at least for some freaking guidelines.

Demand 4 phase or better VRM none of this 3 phase with doublers crap. (So many X370/B350 boards let alone A20 boards couldn't handle a 1800X without bottlenecking) due to cheap VRM components and useless aluminum blocks

Try and fight for real heatsinks with spread not useless aluminum blocks. With Plastic over them and pretty lights.
32+MB Bios chips on ALL X70 models let the mainstream(A20,B50) parts get the 16MB chips

Support DDR5 and AM5 for 5 years of support say from day one this x70 chipset will work 5 years from now on our newest CPU. Rarely does a board itself limit the CPU performance unless its artificially


Edit just saw the Taichi B550 come with 64MB Bios chip

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Why did the x570 need a fan b550 still has a PCI-E 4.0 M.2 slot and a PCI-E X16 4.0 slot directly connected with the CPU?
PCI-E 4.0 in 16x graphics slot and 1st M.2 are directly CPU connected so the chipset has no influence.
x570 have a fan because it operates at PCI-E 4.0 ( more than double the power ) while all previous chipsets operates at PCI-E 2.0/3.0 . Look at the specs of M.2 slots in X570 taichi vs X470 taichi.
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PCI-E 4.0 in 16x graphics slot and 1st M.2 are directly CPU connected so the chipset has no influence.
x570 have a fan because it operates at PCI-E 4.0 ( more than double the power ) while all previous chipsets operates at PCI-E 2.0/3.0 . Look at the specs of M.2 slots in X570 taichi vs X470 taichi.
But B550 also supports 4.0 on 1 M.2 slot and 1 PCI-E slot

No fan


Also having the fan directly below the GPU itself is the dumbest idea ever and most did that all reviewers said so. Already runs at like 60C without hitting up the GPU.

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But B550 also supports 4.0 on 1 M.2 slot and 1 PCI-E slot

No fan


Also having the fan directly below the GPU itself is the dumbest idea ever and most did that all reviewers said so. Already runs at like 60C without hitting up the GPU.

See here:

https://www.techpowerup.com/266710/a...ible#g266710-4


The chipset is linked to the cpu at x4 PCI-E 3.0. No PCI-E 4.0 controlled slots or M.2 .
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See here:

https://www.techpowerup.com/266710/a...ible#g266710-4


The chipset is linked to the cpu at x4 PCI-E 3.0. No PCI-E 4.0 controlled slots or M.2 .
Like not speaking to most but that is like what the majority of the market want anyways haha. I mean ask someone would they want the one with a fan on the chipset itself or having the chipset offer PCI-E 3.0? Also 1 NVME PCI-E 4.0 M.2 drive is supported you know what most would need on a mainstream platform anyways.

I have a feeling Zen 2 would have been delayed until this year if Amd didn't make their own chipset this time around.

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