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Asrock just released official 4.10 and 4.20 bios for X470 Taichi

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X470%2...index.asp#BIOS

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Quote: Originally Posted by Ab Saaf View Post
Thanks Veii. I can boot into Windows with 1900FCLK coupled with 3800Mhz CL16 1usmus fast preset using CPU Vcore at default AUTO on x370 6.22. I think I might've been setting the wrong SOC option, vddg, and vddp incorrectly before, I'm not sure. Now that I set Soc/Uncore and 1900FCLK under XFR enhancement screen and leaving all other voltages on AUTO, it's working.
Ryzen master showing:
SOC: 1.2v (set as "38" hex value in Soc/Uncore under AMD CBS)
VDDG: 1.1v (Auto)
VDDP: 1.1v (Auto)

*Note: when testing 3600Mhz MCLK and 1900FCLK, 1900FCLK under XFR enhancement was being ignored and RM showed 1800FCLK instead. I had to set it to 1900FCLK on the main OC page as well.

I'll need to run y-cruncher and adjust timings but so far cinebench scores are really low (~6550) and latency is high (~70ns) on coupled 1900FCLK for 3900x compared to the lower FCLK(and BCLK OC) I had and it's not stable if I turn on PBO (1900FCLK).

Quote: Originally Posted by Ab Saaf View Post
Ran y-cruncher on 1900FCLK uncoupled 1.2v SOC, 3200CL14 XMP and PC rebooted running VST at the end of pass 3 :/ , RMA?

Quote: Originally Posted by Ab Saaf View Post
Sorry for the multiple posts. I ended up going with 1800FCLK and 104BCLK with Auto LLC5 on CPU and SOC, keeping the 1.2v SOC/Uncore Voltage under XFR Enhancement. I did raise VDDP, not cld0_vddp (left that on default), to 1.1v and CPU VDD to 1.85v.

This is definitely an improvement over 1900FCLK. 1900FCLK isn't worth the instability and neither is PBO in this case. Hoping this 3900x lasts for a bit with these voltages

Thank you so much for your help!
Don't use auto voltages, having cLDO_VDDP and VDDG at the same voltage makes issues
Relate to the bottom half of this post
https://www.overclock.net/forum/1805...l#post28424814

When you use BLCK , there is some bug on the tRFC side of things
Try if that set will work

Later lower tRDWR down to 8 with tWRRD 4
Quote: Originally Posted by jearly410 View Post
Can you explain this?

I have/had been testing various settings with CPPC/CPPC Preferred wrt enabled and disabled with different power plan profiles. 1smus recommendations state CPPC and CPPC Preferred are to be enabled however I get much smoother/opptimal CPU usage graphs by enabling CPPC and disabling CPPC Preferred.
This trend continues with other power plans, such as AMD High Performance, Bitsum Highest, and sz v4 balanced.

Thanks!
The powerplans up to windows version changed
What do you mean "smooth"
Ryzen Matisse shouldn't be smooth, it's signature is constant 5-10ms fluctuation in voltage and frequency in order to keep higher boost up, while only using couple of cores and letting the slower ones to sleep

I think this writeup of the future per CCX or PBO Guide might interest you:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-a...l#post28555614
Cross-Linked our old X370 Taichi post, but both CPPC and CPPC preferred cores should be active
Unless you do a manual override and per CCX OC
Quote: Originally Posted by iNeri View Post
Beta 6.32l its doing great here at same settiongs. AIDA show a little better latency vs 6.22


Yes i know, may be margin of error
a 0.01ns difference on L3 cache can either be higher boosting or just a less bloated windows
It's a difference hard to achieve and pretty consistent across testings
At least before, now it just shows that it boosts higher

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Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
Don't use auto voltages, having cLDO_VDDP and VDDG at the same voltage makes issues
Relate to the bottom half of this post
https://www.overclock.net/forum/1805...l#post28424814

When you use BLCK , there is some bug on the tRFC side of things
Try if that set will work

Later lower tRDWR down to 8 with tWRRD 4

The powerplans up to windows version changed
What do you mean "smooth"
Ryzen Matisse shouldn't be smooth, it's signature is constant 5-10ms fluctuation in voltage and frequency in order to keep higher boost up, while only using couple of cores and letting the slower ones to sleep

I think this writeup of the future per CCX or PBO Guide might interest you:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-a...l#post28555614
Cross-Linked our old X370 Taichi post, but both CPPC and CPPC preferred cores should be active
Unless you do a manual override and per CCX OC

a 0.01ns difference on L3 cache can either be higher boosting or just a less bloated windows
It's a difference hard to achieve and pretty consistent across testings
At least before, now it just shows that it boosts higher
Thanks so much @Veii
I returned my 3900x and got a 3700x instead. I feel my pc was more responsive with the 3900x, but could just be placebo.

I tried to apply your logic to the 3700x but 6.22 wouldn't let me set the VDDG to 1.1 manually (doesn't boot when setting in OC tweaker and gets ignored in XFR enhancement) so I left it at AUTO which defaulted to 1.1v anyway.

Weird sound distortion and huge latency happens if I set SOC to 1.175v so I set it to 1.2v, same with cLDO_VDDP so I set that to 1.05v. I ran y-cruncher for about 5 hours on a 108BCLK and 1700Mhz FCLK, no errors. I get the weird sound distortion and latency issue if I go over 1860'ish FCLK, which didn't happen with the 3900x but then again I couldn't get the 3900x to go above 104BCLK.

Also, my samsung 960evo (Gen 3) is running slower than it did with the 3900x (104BCLK) and 3600 (108BCLK), but could be aging motherboard and/or drive or was less bloated before.
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@Ab Saaf 6.22 should be 1.0.0.6 which means PSP Firmware update happened
You will have nothing but issues with such high vSOC
If you have to run it that high, procODT needs to be higher
30ohm its stability range is around 1.125v peak vSOC
It feels more comfortable near 1.08~
28ohm would feel comfortable near 1.075v with peaks near 1.1

For this 1.18vSOC you should at least go with 38~ or if not even 40ohm procODT
That's the minimum, if not even 42ohm would suite it better
Just high procODT pretty much limits maximum FCLK

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Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
@Ab Saaf 6.22 should be 1.0.0.6 which means PSP Firmware update happened
You will have nothing but issues with such high vSOC
If you have to run it that high, procODT needs to be higher
30ohm its stability range is around 1.125v peak vSOC
It feels more comfortable near 1.08~
28ohm would feel comfortable near 1.075v with peaks near 1.1

For this 1.18vSOC you should at least go with 38~ or if not even 40ohm procODT
That's the minimum, if not even 42ohm would suite it better
Just high procODT pretty much limits maximum FCLK
Got it, thank you!

I reduced vSOC to 1.18v (doesn't go over 1.2v in HWinfo now) in OC Tweaker, changed procODT to 40ohm, and decreased VDDP from 1.1 to 1.07 (shows 1.088 in HWinfo) in External Voltage Settings. No audio distortion.

Ran y-cruncher for 3 cycles. Scores seem better: cbr20 single - 538, multi - 5227; CPU-Z single - 556, multi - 5900. Aida64 bench a bit low 53k,29k,52k,64.9ns but I think because the low FCLK/MCLK, 1836MhzCL16.
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Asrock just released official 4.10 and 4.20 bios for X470 Taichi

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X470%2...index.asp#BIOS
Does it have per CCX OC just like 3.92?

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Ordered my Dark Rock Pro 4 yesterday, looking forward to replacing my R1 Universal. Small problem though, I'm still having absurdly long boot times. Here's what's happening:

1.) Push Power Button

2.) GPU Lights turn on, CPU heatsink fans spin

3.) 10 seconds pass

4.) System fans turn on, motherboard begins showing POST codes

5.) Bios splash screen appears

6.) 5 seconds pass

7.) Windows Login

Any thoughts on what could be causing this? The board didn't have this behavior before I swapped the 2700X to a 3900X. I'm on Bios P6.20, latest available on AsRock's X370 Taichi Bios page.

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@ PriestOfSin: There should be a quicker option to boot in the bios. I believe it disables usb boot though.

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@ PriestOfSin: There should be a quicker option to boot in the bios. I believe it disables usb boot though.
Fast boot seems to work well, but I'm primarily concerned about the 10 seconds of "nothing" between a power press and the motherboard actually starting to display POST codes. I won't sweat it if it's just normal behavior, but it didn't do this with the 1700 or 2700X, so it's a bit concerning.

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Quote: Originally Posted by PriestOfSin View Post
Ordered my Dark Rock Pro 4 yesterday, looking forward to replacing my R1 Universal. Small problem though, I'm still having absurdly long boot times. Here's what's happening:

1.) Push Power Button

2.) GPU Lights turn on, CPU heatsink fans spin

3.) 10 seconds pass

4.) System fans turn on, motherboard begins showing POST codes

5.) Bios splash screen appears

6.) 5 seconds pass

7.) Windows Login

Any thoughts on what could be causing this? The board didn't have this behavior before I swapped the 2700X to a 3900X. I'm on Bios P6.20, latest available on AsRock's X370 Taichi Bios page.
I know this sounds crazy, and no logical relation, but just try download the latest ASRockRGB Led program, install it, and let it update the firmware, then try clear CMOS and start all over again.

Yes, its not typo, the ASRockRGB Led , try it.

My board was acting up when I upgraded from SummitBridge to Matisse, and solved all weird problems (plural) after I installed the RGB Led program, it was updating something inside, you only need to use it once, and uninstall it once done. Make sure download the latest from ASRock official portal for this mobo.

Curently the latest, just checked is : ASRock RGB LED ver:1.0.41

Good luck.

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