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Ok. So I flashed v503 and so far so good. No issues with booting at 3200MHz and seems more stable than previous versions. Even managed to drop my CPU voltage by about 0.02 volts (now at 1.34 instead of 1.355) without too many issues so far.
nice!

Also, wondering, are you at 4.1Ghz on all coress or why you need 1.355?
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nice!

Also, wondering, are you at 4.1Ghz on all coress or why you need 1.355?
Yeah, I'm running 4.125GHz on all eight cores at 1.35V (24/7)! I can push it up to 4.166GHz (stable) but that needs ~1.4V, so temps (and noise) are a bit high for my liking...
Still it's nice to know that I can get that high. Couldn't get it stable at 4.2, though, but maybe with the new BIOS I could crack that barrier...

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OK. I take it back. 503 is *****. Unstable at 4.1GHz. Barely stable at 4.066GHz with 1.3625V... https://valid.x86.fr/kk70cl
So it boots now but somehow throttles the CPU... Maybe v507?

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OK. I take it back. 503 is *****. Unstable at 4.1GHz. Barely stable at 4.066GHz with 1.3625V... https://valid.x86.fr/kk70cl
So it boots now but somehow throttles the CPU... Maybe v507?
Yikes, you're making me worried now lol.

I wonder, is there a way to give feedback to ASUS to show the decrease of stability and the requirement of higher voltage to attain the same speeds?

I also noticed that I need more voltage when I updated to 407 from 403. so I suppose 503 will be worse for me. (in my case, stable at 3.925Ghz at 1.2V on 403 vs 1.225V on 407)

Problem was.. even going back in bios, the problem persisted.
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Yikes, you're making me worried now lol.

I wonder, is there a way to give feedback to ASUS to show the decrease of stability and the requirement of higher voltage to attain the same speeds?

I also noticed that I need more voltage when I updated to 407 from 403. so I suppose 503 will be worse for me. (in my case, stable at 3.925Ghz at 1.2V on 403 vs 1.225V on 407)

Problem was.. even going back in bios, the problem persisted.
Crap! Since I didn't manage to even boot with 407, I didn't lose stability with 403... Might try rolling back to 403 from 503 to see if I can regain my stability. As things stand, even 4.066GHz isn't 100% stable... Standard loads are fine (no issues with 7-Zip benchmark or Cinebench R15, though my score is more than 200 point lower than it was at 4.166), but Prime95 causes the system to lock up after about 5 seconds, so......... I dunno, I'll try dialing down to 4.0GHz and see if I can get it stable with P95.... But really, even if I manage to be stable at 4.0, that's almost a 200MHz drop!

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OK. So it looks like Prime95 has some major issues with RT and BIOS 503. At 4.066GHz, the system locks up and crashes immediately regardless of what test I run or which version of P95 I use (I've tried a few different versions). Using RealBench doesnt cause any problems and I was able to run a stress test successfully... I dunno, I'll try dialing back to 4.0GHz (or maybe even full stock) and see if it's not the OC but P95 in the first place...

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OK. So it looks like Prime95 has some major issues with RT and BIOS 503. At 4.066GHz, the system locks up and crashes immediately regardless of what test I run or which version of P95 I use (I've tried a few different versions). Using RealBench doesnt cause any problems and I was able to run a stress test successfully... I dunno, I'll try dialing back to 4.0GHz (or maybe even full stock) and see if it's not the OC but P95 in the first place...
Sounds weird, could this be related.. perhaps to the Spectre fixes? or other similar fixes?


Have you tried other hardcore stability tests like OCCTP ?


Dammit, I wish the Prime X399 bioses were LESS CRYPTIC.
I have no idea why some of their bioses have VERY COMPLETE explanations in their changenotes, but others have.. like.. ZERO information.
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Sounds weird, could this be related.. perhaps to the Spectre fixes? or other similar fixes?


Have you tried other hardcore stability tests like OCCTP ?


Dammit, I wish the Prime X399 bioses were LESS CRYPTIC.
I have no idea why some of their bioses have VERY COMPLETE explanations in their changenotes, but others have.. like.. ZERO information.
Same here! WTH does "Support NVME RAID" even mean???b Wasn't NVMe RAID support supposed to be released last fall?

I'll test OCCTP later tonight and report back, gotto go pick up my cat from the vet...

In the meanwhile, I found another bug with 503: Fan information is no longer correctly reported to 3rd party monitoring programs like HWMonitor or HWInfo64. Speeds are not updated and all the fans are mislabeled HWMonitor reads the CPU fan as Chassis 2... additionally, if Any of the monitoring apps are opened, fan speeds don't change anymore with temperature changes. I thought it my be a conflict with AISuite3, so I disabled it hoping that the fan settings from the BIOS will hold, but it makes no difference...

Why can't they get anything right? It looks like the PRIME board just gets the short end of the stick compared to the Zenith. Their BIOSes do have descriptions...

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In the meanwhile, I found another bug with 503: Fan information is no longer correctly reported to 3rd party monitoring programs like HWMonitor or HWInfo64. Speeds are not updated and all the fans are mislabeled HWMonitor reads the CPU fan as Chassis 2... additionally, if Any of the monitoring apps are opened, fan speeds don't change anymore with temperature changes. I thought it my be a conflict with AISuite3, so I disabled it hoping that the fan settings from the BIOS will hold, but it makes no difference...

Why can't they get anything right? It looks like the PRIME board just gets the short end of the stick compared to the Zenith. Their BIOSes do have descriptions...
oh my god, they really introduced the fan bug that have plagued the Ryzen (non threadripper) mobos?

Be careful! because if its the exact same bug.. sometimes the fans will STOP spinning for no reason at all, causing the cpu to overheat and shutdown. Its related to the "smart fan" section of the bios.
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OK. So I did some testing and it turns out that the problem wasn't with Prime95 as OCCTP threw errors too... It's just that 4.066GHz just wasn't stable on v503... >
I tried going down in as small of steps as I could and as things stand, with the current BIOS, I can't clock any higher than 4.0GHz. Not even 4.025, which would either result in Core 6 (Threads #13 and #14) throwing fatal errors in P95 or full-on lockup...

Oddly, on Cinebench I scored 1731, which is two points higher than at 4.166...

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