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post #5701 of 5993 (permalink) Old 03-22-2019, 01:26 PM
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While on this topic... one thing Ive run into is horrible latency issues, where my sound would for a split second stutter.



After having tried disabling multiple systems, and reading up on tons of latency related issues, what solved it for me was a combination of a few things . Firstly, the AMD sata drivers, especially the virtualized driver that gets installed by storeMi, produces a ton of latency and audio issues. Once I unintsalled the AMD Virtualized sata driver, or StoreMi version, the problems diminshed, but were still there, just less frequent.


The next thing I did, was enable Raid mode in the bios and installed the AMD raid drivers, but just used the drives as they are without creating an AMD raid. This too diminished the latency issues, and only happened once every hour or so. I didnt stop there, I kept reading, and googling. Using all kinds of latency monitoring apps, and trying out various ideas posted on a bunch of forums... until very recently I came across this https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...s-windows.html


This seemed to have been the final nail on the coffin for Latency issues, and with the steps I mentioned before and following that guide my latency now looks like this... and I do use the onboard sound card... havent disabled anything onboard now.


And OH, one final note, something I ran into while chancing from AHCI to Raid in the bios, was an infinite windows loading screen. The way I got around this was to hit the reset button every time windows would forever load, eventually getting to the recovery screen, then boot into safemode, did nothing, and reboot. Probem solved for me.



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post #5702 of 5993 (permalink) Old 03-22-2019, 04:30 PM
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Have you updated your windows? Which release you have? Mine, as example, is 1809 (RS5) build 17763.
I remember months ago something happened about the bios WMI and windows timer so Hwinfo and all the same software (or the same windows) had to update accordingly to read correctly the CPU speed.

DPCLatency is know to have bad reading in windows 10. Best is LatencyMon (here: https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon).

Regarding to switch from AHCI to RAID was really a bad idea. Luckily you solved, but there is a correct way to switch, if you need-it, and google-it and/or wiki can help you.

Yes I did use latencymon to narrow down what was causing the latency issue, for me it tunred out to be storport.sys the windows storage manager driver, but it was only a symptom. I then knew it had something to do with storage. Things I tried to narrow it down further was uninstalling the Samsung NVME driver and downloading the latest and re-installing that, which had no effect. What did have an effect is when I completely disabled the sata controllers in the bios. But since I had drives on those ports which I need to use, I had to re-enable them, which then took me down the path of trying various versions of the sata drivers. Both from AMD, StoreMi, and the windows default ones. The AMD and StoreMi drivers turned out to be the worse ones causing audio stutters every 10-15 minutes or so, no matter which version of the driver I used. The default windows sata driver only caused alot less audio stutters, only every hour or so, but were still present, and thats when I thought I trying to different way of accessing the drives on those ports using a completely different kind of driver ie. the RAID driver. This then only caused Audio stutters once or twice per day. And only after I added the AHCI power managment option and configured it via that link in my previos post did the audio stutters completely go away. I then tried out the AHCI driver again (Not RAID) and the stutters were back. So I just defaulted to using the RAID drivers. And with the current configuration, my system is now very snappy, really good responsiveness on mouse and keyboard, especially in gaming, and no stutters at all. And no high latency reported by latencymon due to storeport.sys.


Windows is the latest version too... Windows 10 Pro 1809, 17763.379


It might also be worth noting that I have 4 drives on my sata ports... 2x 1tb ssds, and 2x 8tb WD Reds, both setup as a Storagespace mirror arrays. I cant say for sure, but this might very well be a contributing factor. There is a reason for going the Storagespace mirror route though. The reason for mirror, is a no brainer, but the reason for using Storeagespaces instead of other mirror raid options are for compatability. If my AMD system dies, I can just pull those drives out, and slap them into my X79 board, and all the data is there. If I had set up an AMD Mirror array, those drives would not have been accesable on my Intel board. I also considered getting a cheap LSI Raid controller off ebay, but I couldnt find a good PCI-e x4 card for that. They all seem to be PCI-e X8 cards, which means having to sacrifce 8 lanes just for that card, leaving only 8 lanes left for the Titan X Pascal.


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I've seen 3dmark give bad readings, but I've never seen HWiNFO give bad readings. What else are you running? There has to be something interfering that might be running in the background. What do you have installed?

I had considered there might have been something in the background, old driver or something interfiering with the readings, so at one point I took out the nvme, and fresh installed Windows 10 on a sata ssd I have spare. Clean install, and installed nothing else, not even drivers. I ran monitoring apps off a usb stick, and found the same wierd cpu speed peaks. Then installed all AMD and hardware official but basic drivers, as in no bloaty software, and still the same thing. My only conclusion now is that it must be a faulty sensor, either within the cpu, or the motherboard. It doesnt really cause any noticible issues, or add any extra performace as the numbers seem to suggest, I still get more or less the same benchmark performance numbers everyone else gets, and no crashes when it happens... and now while Im actually writing this... im wondering... could this be the cause or related to the latency issues I had... hmm... food for thought. Other than getting another chip and board... cant think of what else to try to narrow down the crazy cpu speeds occasionally reported.

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Anyone else see that the next Crosshair series will include the Hero and the Formula?

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Anyone else see that the next Crosshair series will include the Hero and the Formula?
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Very interesting! Of course it's rumoured that CH7 will get PCIE 4 with CPU upgrade - which would be very cool as not long had to replace my motherboard so can't justify buying a new one. I'll get SO frustrated knowing my CPU is being held back by not updating my motherboard!

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Very interesting! Of course it's rumoured that CH7 will get PCIE 4 with CPU upgrade - which would be very cool as not long had to replace my motherboard so can't justify buying a new one. I'll get SO frustrated knowing my CPU is being held back by not updating my motherboard!

Very happy now I have my lovely 16 threads back after my 24 hour experiment with the 2200G - great cpu if you're on a budget, but I couldn't wait to get my 1700x back in!

Alza have picked up my G.Skill memory for RMA - hopefully that goes nice and smoothly and they just replace it. I hate hanging around for RMAs! Also, my Hynix Vengeance LPX doesn't seem to OC too well, but going to try working way up to 3466..... this dual rank memory seems to OC quite differently. It does run more efficiently, but harder (so far) to OC.
Meh. 4.0 would be nice, but I have gotten along just fine w/o it. I doubt there is a switch prebuilt into this board that would enable it by simply replacing the CPU.

I do plan to upgrade later but am wondering if R9 will work on this board or if it's the EPYC socket only. Cause that would be an awesome jump in performance over R7 1800x performance. I would pay the listed msrp of $560 for that. Paid $500 for my early adopted chip when purchased from Newegg.

Hopefully R9 does work. Not that my system is specifically a workstation system. Mine is a do everything as necessary system. But hot damn I want that chip, I have a little kid so photos and videos go hand in hand with being a parent. Cannot wait to know if R9 is compatible with this board.

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Meh. 4.0 would be nice, but I have gotten along just fine w/o it. I doubt there is a switch prebuilt into this board that would enable it by simply replacing the CPU.

I do plan to upgrade later but am wondering if R9 will work on this board or if it's the EPYC socket only. Cause that would be an awesome jump in performance over R7 1800x performance. I would pay the listed msrp of $560 for that. Paid $500 for my early adopted chip when purchased from Newegg.

Hopefully R9 does work. Not that my system is specifically. Mine is a do everything as necessary system. But hot damn I want that chip, I have a little kid so photos and videos go hand in hand with being a parent. Cannot wait to know if R9 is compatible with this board.

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Rumour has it that PCIE 4 uses the same bus, and that because the tracks on the CH7 are under a certain length, PCIE 4 may work out of the box, but it's not confirmed yet. Obviously this would only work on the CPU connected bus, not the chipset. If it works on the M.2 slot, we could have double speed M.2 which would be quite nice

I'm sure our boards can support the 16 core part - we're hardly drawing anything compared to what it could do! I'm up for the 3700x 12 core myself.

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Rumour has it that PCIE 4 uses the same bus, and that because the tracks on the CH7 are under a certain length, PCIE 4 may work out of the box, but it's not confirmed yet. Obviously this would only work on the CPU connected bus, not the chipset. If it works on the M.2 slot, we could have double speed M.2 which would be quite nice

I'm sure our boards can support the 16 core part - we're hardly drawing anything compared to what it could do! I'm up for the 3700x 12 core myself.
Yeah I could stand 8thread increase over current setup if that's what I am locked to. Rather have the R9 however. Get a load of that 5.1ghz boost clock.

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