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(Official MSI X470 Gaming M7 AC motherboard

This board is one of the top 4 contenders in the AMD Ryzen X470 space. We should use this opportunity to show its features and performance and discuss any issues that we find challenging in its optimized use. I am posting my top cinebench 15 score achieved at 4.3 GHZ and Aida 64 reports at 4.25 GHZ.
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Early this morning (Wednesday) Cinebench runs at 4.325 GHZ and at 4.39 GHZ.
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what are your VRM temps when you are rendering something longer than a R15 test.
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New official bios 1.1 includes a couple of precision boost settings and much improved performance on cinebench 15 OpenGL scores. Both bioses have been extremely stable. This board is a winner, light years ahead of the MSI X370 Titanium and a worthy opponent of the Asus Crosshair VII and the Asrock Taichi. Pricing is $259 and well worth it. it has the best m.2 slot cooling of any X470 motherboard. The power phase support is now up there with the big boys. Plus it has blue tooth and wireless AC support and steel reinforced memory slots unilke the Asus Crosshair VII. Equal of the Crosshair VII in performance and better durability in design.

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I just upgraded my memory yesterday from G.Skill FlareX DDR4 3200 Cl 14 to G.Skill TridentZ DDR4 4266 CL19-19-19-39 1.40 volts. I wanted to see how far I could get with memory speeds with Ryzen 7 2700X and the new MSI X470 Gaming M7 AC motherboard. After installing the memoryI manually set the speed to 3866mhz and it posted and booted into windows but would crash under cinebench 15. I progressively lowered emeory speedhoping to be stable at perhaps 3600. No dice. I could not pass Y Crunch no matter how I tweaked SOC voltage and dram voltage Proc ODT, etc. Finally at 3466mhz I passed Ycrunch memory torture tests and did Cinebench 15 runs. With bios 1.1 now being officially released and installed the system is not only super stable but my cinebench Open GL score is back up to where it sused to be before the Raven Ridge and Pinnacle bios updates were issued. Now cinebench and windows 10 correctly read cpu speed again.

Remember first generation Ryzen would NOT accept an odd number for CL on memory. No longer an issue. My memory is set at DDR4 3466 CL15-15-15-32-67.
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Here is my snip of HWinfo64 for my cpu and motherboard temps. I posted this tothe AMD general header under VRMS on X470 motherboards thread. I have been villified there as well as the MSI X470 Gaming M7 AC motherboard wiht a lot of inuendo and half-truths about the motherboard. This snip proves the motherboard runs cool. I took it in my sunroom when it was reading at 83 farenbheit on the thermostat here in spite of turning all air conditioning on all day.
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Quote: Originally Posted by os2wiz View Post
Remember first generation Ryzen would NOT accept an odd number for CL on memory. No longer an issue. My memory is set at DDR4 3466 CL15-15-15-32-67.
I would like to say this is incorrect, false.

1st gen do accept odd number CL provided you use "geardown" "disabled" and can boot. A tip is to have tCWL at a even number.
As example you had CL 13... use tCWL 14... or if CL 15, use tCWL 16.
tCWL had issues with odd numbers.

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Quote: Originally Posted by os2wiz View Post
I just upgraded my memory yesterday from G.Skill FlareX DDR4 3200 Cl 14 to G.Skill TridentZ DDR4 4266 CL19-19-19-39 1.40 volts
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My memory is set at DDR4 3466 CL15-15-15-32-67.
That was a waste, your Flare X 3200 could've done that exact speed and timings.

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what are your VRM temps when you are rendering something longer than a R15 test.
I can only speak from AIDA64 ray trace with FPU32 and FPU64 and Real Bench as I do not do a whole bunch of rendering. In those benchmarks the vrms never got above high 50's Celcius. The cpu got up to as much as 79 Celcius doing those ray traces but never a stutter or shutdown. Now this is with a well designed case and a Alphacool Eisbaer 360 AIO cooler and several good case fans. I do NOT consider it a crime to keep your case as cool as possible. I have actually been criticized on the AMD General/VRM's on new AM4 Motherboards thread for having such low temps because of wise use of fans and case. They say this board does not produce such low temps normally. That is complete bs. Every dedicated overclocker tries to optimize their cooling. They just hate on MSI and prejudged this board as not top tier board in quality. But they are dead wrong. My results posted there and here prove it.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nighthog View Post
I would like to say this is incorrect, false.

1st gen do accept odd number CL provided you use "geardown" "disabled" and can boot. A tip is to have tCWL at a even number.
As example you had CL 13... use tCWL 14... or if CL 15, use tCWL 16.
tCWL had issues with odd numbers.
I never used gear down as it craps up performance.

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