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post #11 of 31 (permalink) Old 08-21-2018, 08:14 AM - Thread Starter
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Ok so before this will turn into a Build log lets note down components which are being replaced and what will be the new component:

AMD Phenom II x6 > AMD Threadripper 1900x
ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 > Asrock x399M Taichi
A-Data XPG 2.0 > Gskill XFire 3200Mhz

Those choices above are pretty obvious. Change of socket, change from DDR3 to DDR4.

Thermaltake Element S > Fractal Design Node 804
Smaller case (mATX factor) with two separate chambers, and much better cooling posibilities.

Gigabyte R9 FuryX REUSED
This GPU is still doing very well, and while now are GPUs still quite expensive...

LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS > Reused
Raid consisting of 5 SSD 2.5 inch drives which costed about 1000 dollars 5+ years ago, capabe to archieve up to 2500Mb/s at 8x PCI-e 2.0
Current M.2 drives costs much less, speeds can go up to 3500Mb/s at PCI-e 4x 3.0 and with better IOPS. In my case I want to reuse the old hardware because of its original high price, and help to justify the purchase.

Intel I-210-T1 > Replaced by onboard I-211.
Basically same card, just on-board variant. Original system had 5 used PCI-E slots, now only 4 are used.

Creative Xfi Fatality > Replaced by onboard Realtek 1220
Standard old PCI slot is no longer present on newer boards. Therefore getting either PCI-E, USB or onboard solutions are obvious. I am giving a shot to Realtek, this time, becasue whole build is now sligtly more compact.

TV tuner Avermedia > Reused
At least for now. In last years the DVB-T/S hybrid card became a bit problematic to use in my region. Most satellite went to S2, and getting the newer variant of the card is troublesome.

Now only three slots are used. (Graphic card, Raid, and tV tuner)



Future Possibilities:
- In case I wll replace current RAID card with a single M.2 card, the system can house 2 GPUs + TV tuner or dedicated soundcard.
In that case we are speaking of really high performance PC, in very small package.
- Getting more expensive CPU for the socket.
- Wifi card, mounted near the Mouse/keyboard connector can be removed and replaced with a different miniPCIe device.

--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *
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Quote: Originally Posted by MNMadman View Post
I used to recommend them and they perform well, but there have been increasing reports of LiqTech AIO failures lately. Might want to stay away from them.

1..https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...-liquid-vs-air

Apparently the size of the lower plate of the cooler is important factor (nor surprising tbh)

2. Few reports on the issues with Enermax
https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121071

It appears that one cooler leaked, and few other coolers had trouble with the pump - which started to produce heat of its own. Both reported cases were 360 and/or 280 versions of the cooler

3. NZXT has smaller plate
Considering price, and problem with TR4 bracket availability... I will probably not use it, which is a shame - considering the size of the case.

So... I will test 14cm noctua if it will fit and if not I will take 12cm noctua.


Also the Asrock x399m arrived, socket IS NOT Foxconn (which should be a good news). What surprised me a bit is "Made in Vietnam" sign

--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *
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Some notes:

Passive part of Noctua NH-U14s-TR4-SP3
https://noctua.at/en/nh-u14s-tr4-sp3

will fit into

Fractal Design Node 804:
http://www.fractal-design.com/home/p...eries/node-804

Even when the case has 160mm clearance for coolers, 165mm tall passive part of this cooler will fit there, but...

a) Mounting its original fan will not work
Even when memory is just 40mm tall, the fan will not fit, and you will not close the lid. And i am not aware there are any decent low-profile memory for Threadripper.

b) You can still use the huge cooler, but you have to mount 12cm fan instead.
In this case you will have 1-2 milimeters from the first PCI-E slot to the cooler. There will be almost NO space above the cooler for additional fans. So you will either try 1cm fans, no fans at all, or smaller cooler.

So I rather went for Noctua U12S TR4-SP3
https://noctua.at/en/nh-u12s-tr4-sp3

It will be probably fitted with additional 12 cm fan.


In the mean time board was mounted into the case, CPU was fitted in, Ram as well. System received rather old Corsair 650w and AMD R9-290x, just for the testing if its alive. And ITS ALIVE.

--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *

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http://slayershrine.wz.cz/tr2.jpg

So this is how nicely fits the Asrock x399M Taichi in mATX Node 804. I won the lottery on the socket - its Lotes and NOT Foxconn.

I can decide whether to mount graphics on the bottom, middle or top slot - both are full PCI-E 3.0 16x. One of the reasons why i decided for this specific case was that it has 5 slots on the back, and eventually allows 2 GPUs.

--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *
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Yesterday I installed second half or RAM, 5 fans which should be the cooling. Also temporary SSD and Win 10 Pro.

Gskill FlareX 4 DIMMs, 3200Mhz, cl 14, 1.35v as in XMP... No tweaking so far, but also no stress tests.

I hope that 8 layers on both board and DIMMS and 2oz should help to handle it without trouble.

--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *
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I managed to install FuryX in the system, in a very peculiar way...

main part of the graphic card is in the left chamber in PCI-E slot, the AIO radiator is in the right chamber at the exhaust. In this way the CPU does not get any heat from GPU and vice-versa.

If someone would like to do it that way, its possible to get card through the large cutout in the middle of Node 804 (as the radiator is quite big). Just be sure that nothing gets in the way of tubing.


So if you even wondered you can place AIO watercooled GPU in this manner - yes you can. Removing it afterwards is sort of complicated, as the card is holding in the slot really tight. Downside is, that the lever used to release the card from PCI-E slot is hard to reach, and the card has to be pushed into PCI-E slot with screws.

As to my previous experience, R9-290x is making its surroundings hotter by few degrees. So with current setup, all temps went down. CPU with ... rather smaller Noctua nh-u12s-tr4-sp3 CPU cooler went to 32°C at idle, which is just 4 degrees above ambient.
GPU - acting as a wall and other fans and the cover then form an air tunnel, while behind CPU should be negative pressure. Need to get two more specialized fans for that.



--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *

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I like decent aircooling solutions, as they do require little bit less experience in maintenance and construction. Basically you need to clean the fans, coolers or filters from time to time, but there is no corrosion. For some time i am also using Fury X with its AIO cooler - I have the one with more noisier pumps but it seems to perform well.

The case is Fractal Design Node 804
http://www.fractal-design.com/home/p...eries/node-804

Asrock X399M fits there like this:
http://slayershrine.wz.cz/tr2.jpg

Both board and case therefore allow dual GPU configuration (if the cables are properly set, and PSU will allow that).

CPU, RAM and VRMs

If you check the TOP screenshot, you are looking at LEFT chamber.

Lets start with case fans. 4x NF-P12 PWM. These are older fans (were bit cheaper)
https://noctua.at/en/products/discon...cts/nf-p12-pwm

Front fans are set to intake, top front fan is intake, top rear fan is exhaust. Each intake fan (and one exhaust fan) here has a dust filter.

On CPU is mounted cooler NH U12S TR4-SP3
https://noctua.at/en/nh-u12s-tr4-sp3

Its intake fan is NF-F12 PWM, exhaust is A12x25 PWM. On the back exhaust is mounted NF-S12 PWM. I would recommend to check the specs of these three fans. Short to say... F12 has high static pressure on low airflow, A12 has higher static pressure on medium and high airflow, and S12 has low static pressure and highest airflow. This ensures that air fed to CPU gets throught the cooler as fast as possible, and then out of the case.

Before i mounted S12 to the back of the case, the RAM modules on the left side reported 4-6 more degrees compared to those on the right. Once i fixed that, RAM on the "hot side" are reporting only up to 2 degrees more.

Zone to the right from the processor should have positive air pressure, GPU acts as a tunnel and everything to the left from the CPU should have negative air pressure.


GPU Cooling
If you want to mount the Fury X into this case, you can mount the Radiator on the exhaust in the right chamber, them pull the card throught cut-out in the center.
On rear.jpg you can check how its mounted and that the tubes are not stretching too much. (hm. i need to clear the dust out of radiator fan).

The thing is that GPU runs hotter by 10 degrees (in average tasks) than CPU, VRMs and other. This positioning keeps the heat out of reach of CPU. In order to compensate the exhaust, there is 12cm fan by Fractal design on the front-bottom.

Also you can see Corsair HX650w, taking air from the bottom, through air filter.

Powering the fans
In some cases I used Y-splitter cable to couple those fans, which are expecteted to perform at same performance level.

CPU intake and CPU exhaust fans are connected to mainboard independently.
Exhaust fans (S-12 and, top P-12) share Y-splitter.
Intake fans (top and upper front P-12) share Y-splitter.
Bottom intake fans (bottom P-12 and FD fan) are also coupled via Y-splitter.


Results
As the thermal paste cured a bit (after week or so)...

Ambient temperature was 26°C at the time of measuring.
CPU @ 4000MHz
Vcore 1,225v

Prime 95 Small FFTs gets CPU to 68°C, RAMs to 38-40°C, VRM up to 50°C.
On Idle CPU can get as low to 29°C, RAMs to 28°C, VRM to 30°C

This was measured when case was closed. Fans were set to full speed in BIOS so the PC is not perfectly silent. However when i set it to be more silent, the noise of old Fury X pump becomes noticeable
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--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *
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Now to the sound quality on X399M

ALC1220 is installed on Asrock x399M Taichi. First I was quite sceptical on the possibilities of this onboard soundcard.

Manufacturer boasts:
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X399M%20Taichi/index.asp

Unnamed 120SNR DAC (which is revelaed to be Realtek ALC 1220)
Gold Audio Connectors
TI NE5332 amps
Nichicon Caps
Using different PCB layers for L/R channels
And some more common stuff like Impendance sensing, shielding and filtered power input

Here is a review of the onboard ALC1220 specifically used as "Purity Sound 4"

The review contains some data on frequency spectrum output, and info about crosstalk between L/R channels. The results are not actually bad at all.

And another review regarding the same solution:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/..._Taichi/8.html

This review is generally positive.

the same Hw configuration on more expensive AsRock board is being marketed as "Creative SoundBlaster Cinema 3"
https://www.creative.com/oem/product...re/cinema3.asp

The only mystery which remains is, why Realtek isnt listing the ALC 1220 on its web page...
http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/p...Level=5&Conn=4

The DAC itself allows up to 32bit 192khz playback (not sure about recording).

Since i am not an audiophile, the card surpassed all my expectations and speakers i can use with it (Bose ComputerMonitor, purchased some years ago as a portable solutions)

--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *
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Also some thinking about GPU upgrade...

So far I installed R9 Fury X which fits in a absolutely perfect way in the system.

In the mean time I checked possibilty of crossfire or getting 2x R9 Nano. It appears that 2 Nano cards can add between 50+70% of graphic performance, while still be running on 650 watt PSU.

Such Crossfire combination would give more performance than 1080s at same purchasing price.

--- Building in progress * AMD Threadripper 1900x * Asrock X399M Taichi * Radeon VII * Gskill Xflare / Samsung B-die 3200 14-14-14-32 * Samsung 970 PRO 512gb * Fractal Design Node 804 * Seasonic Prime Ultra 850 Titanium *
--- Desktop * AMD Phenom II x6 1090t @ 3,8GHz * ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 * Gigabyte R9 FuryX * A-Data XPG 2.0 / Elpida Hyper MNH 1866 @ 1600 6-6-6-18 * LSI 9211-8i / Raid 0 / 5x Corsair Force 3 GS * Creative Xfi Fatal1ty * Intel I210-T1 * Steelseries 6Gv2 * Logitech MX518 * Samsung U28E590D *
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