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I don't really remember much beyond the original launch boards for MSI. I thought I remembered boards like the Titanium (which I own) were said to have weak vrm's or something along those lines. That board cost around $300 at the original Ryzen launch.

So I was kind of thinking it wouldn't end up getting Zen 2 support. I've never had a problem with my titanium running a 1700 or 2700.

That said... this would seem like an obvious way to lose buyers.

MSI wasn't really on my list if I had to buy a new motherboard for Zen 2 anyway. Although I do have quite a few MSI boards around the house.
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I'm thinking that everyone that did buy 1st gen Ryzen are gonna be the first to upgrade to Zen 2.
possibility yes but there are a lot of people like me that needed a new system and decided a 2600 was a major bang for buck, i will likely be a day one for zen 2, and possibly navi.

as per the article, i have to say it comes off very personal/heated. not sure if its true news as AMD have yet to confirm/deny their previous statements about back and forth compatibility. either way its a pretty simple software update thats required, i could see it being a limit to vcore if the hardware instability is a factor, but to me thats why we have stability checks and you cant just boot a system at whatever manual settings you want.

ill be sad if its true, and MSI is denying zen 2 on 300 series boards because
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ill wait for proof/facts.

hoping MSI isnt stooping to new lows, its one of the few board manufacturers i trust. all that would be left is asrock and ive never actually owned anything from them, just built systems for friends. gigabyte has terrible customer satisfaction on many,many items lately. and asus is way to proud considering their pricing and horrible customer support.

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I haven't had an MSI board since my socket 478 pentium 4 rig. That said, it's not because I dislike MSI, other vendors simply offered me better bang for the buck. That said, it's moves like this that put them off the table entirely.

If actually true, that is. Wait for confirmation from them. They may just be testing the reaction waters.


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AMD made promises that MSI needs to keep otherwise people won't trust the same AMD promises in the future. This is MSI being greedy wanting to sell as much new boards as possible and AMD needs to cut them off at the knees.

Either way, damage is done and I bet none of us will be buying MSI in the future when there are tons of other brands out there. Right? Or are we still sheep?

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I refuse to believe that AMD would let MSI do this. However, if this is true, MSI will probably just add Ryzen 3000 support because AMD forces them to and that's it. No stability or compatibility updates after that.
then you refuse to believe how "things" in business work.

its unfortunate, you have that.

There isn't enough actual info in the story though. They must have some semi-valid excuse at the least.

Either way, I'm sure they weighed the odds & don't give a flip.

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then you refuse to believe how "things" in business work.

its unfortunate, you have that.

There isn't enough actual info in the story though. They must have some semi-valid excuse at the least.

Either way, I'm sure they weighed the odds & don't give a flip.

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Don't care if MSI don't give a flip. Do we?

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then you refuse to believe how "things" in business work.

its unfortunate, you have that.

There isn't enough actual info in the story though. They must have some semi-valid excuse at the least.

Either way, I'm sure they weighed the odds & don't give a flip.

innovation can be driven from more than one direction
Nvidia also "didn't give a flip" with GPP. See how that turned out. Companies make stupid decisions all the time.

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Nvidia also "didn't give a flip" with GPP. See how that turned out.
Ummmm... there are tons of brands when it comes to none GPUs and only Nvidia when it comes to GPUs - not a great example.

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I suppose it cuts into their profit margin when a user only has to buy 1 motherboard across multiple generations of CPU's. If in fact true, I will no longer consider any MSI hardware in the future.
Couldn't AMD just pay all vendors for bio updates ( included in the cpu cost? )
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