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post #161 of 221 (permalink) Old 07-08-2019, 09:06 AM
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MSI MEG X570

Chipset cooling fan noise during CineBench test. So close to the ground is 47.3dBA.
47.3dBA is relatively quiet depending on how silent the rest of your case is. Can you hear that fan at all with the side on?

How does it sound to you? Can you adjust the fan curve on it? I'm looking into getting this mobo for my 3900x.
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47.3dBA is relatively quiet depending on how silent the rest of your case is. Can you hear that fan at all with the side on?

How does it sound to you? Can you adjust the fan curve on it? I'm looking into getting this mobo for my 3900x.
Not my own test, therefore cannot provide answers. I got the info from this review:
https://gigglehd.com/gg/review/5201838
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47 isn't quiet at all, lol

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47 isn't quiet at all, lol
I tend to agree.
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Quote: Originally Posted by rems View Post
Even Derbauer thinks the fan is not needed and that there should just be a larger heatsink.
Also x570 chipset seems to consume a lot more watts at idle compared to x470.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk3PD-4zPN0
Physics-wise you're talking about a 15W chipset cooler (you don't design for typical unless you're a failure of an engineer you design for maximums, there's something called safety factor) that has to fit in ~ 15mm z-height and deal with poor airflow in some flashy cases.

To maintain below 80°C (basically when the MSI fan ramps up) with board temp ~30°C then you are looking at cooling 15W with 3.3°C/W thermal resistance.

Even with a copper heatsink, you need at least around 37mmx37mm at 800LFM airflow: http://enzotechnology.com/performance/cnb_s1l.pdf

If the z-height was ~30mm that would be achievable with far less airflow (~150LFM): http://enzotechnology.com/performance/cnb_s1.pdf

celsia thermal calculator suggests 6.0cm x 4.0cm or 5.0x5.0cm is the right size for a proper finned heatsink of 15mm height; whereas for natural convection (not feasible with massive GPUs over chipset) you're looking at about 9.0cm x 9.0cm which is nearly half the width of an ATX board.

Using aluminum? Your thermal resistance is nearly double.

This is why there's Asrock Steel Legend , Taichi, and MSI Ace using chipset coolers and M.2 coolers combined.


Chipset temperature 80°C gleaned from : https://www.tomshw.de/2019/06/12/lau...slab-exklusiv/


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I have a x570 aorus pro and the idle temps of the Chipset seem to be quite high.
24°C room temperature 68°C at idle, while gaming - played PUBG for 1h and it went to 85°C
I've tried to move the gpu to the other slot and the temps are only 10° lower
Like *** is going on with these temps.
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Set your GPU to PCIE 3.0 mode.


Also maybe your case airflow is poor.


In latest STRIX X570-E review they actually have 63°C idle temp:
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At rest, the temperature is 63°C and the fan speed is 2700 RPM. Under load it is 68.5°C and 3050 RPM. So the temperatures are not very high, and the fan itself shouldn't bother you.
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Quote: Originally Posted by CaptnJones View Post
I have a x570 aorus pro and the idle temps of the Chipset seem to be quite high.
24°C room temperature 68°C at idle, while gaming - played PUBG for 1h and it went to 85°C
I've tried to move the gpu to the other slot and the temps are only 10° lower
Like *** is going on with these temps.
Sounds really high. My X570 chipset stays at 58c with almost half the fan being blocked by my video card. Assuming that HWiNFO64 is reporting the correct sensor as chipset temp.
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My case is the NZXT h500. I've replaced the original nzxt 120mm fans with the bequiet silent wings - back 120mm, top 140mm and moved the nzxt's to the front. Let's just say having them installed makes no difference at all.

It's sad that a case for 20€ has better airflow than this








This is the temps i get while web browsing.

Any suggestions on how to lower the temp?
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Did a build with a PRIME X370-Pro in a NZXT h400. Chipset was hotter than I liked. You could try to test if placing 80mm fan aimed at the chipset helps. Wooden sticks or lego blocks could fit in the holes at the bottom.

For the intake fans you could remove the blades of some old fans as shroud/duct but the front panel of the NZXT seem to block a lot of airflow.





dBA doesn't mean much without other parameters on how testing was conducted like measuring distances, if a Anechoic chamber was used. Fan manufactures have been manipulating variables or outright lying about dBA for a long time.
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