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I believe the fans are there as an extra safety and i dont believe the fans will need to run faster than low speeds for most use cases
Sure a 45mm fan will be loud but only at higher speeds which might not be necessary most of the time

As i said the boards are not even out yet so we dont know anything and i might be wrong but we dont know at this point
A big chuck of metal to cool down the chipset like we have back in the old days might have been better but there would be complaints about that too
I agree.
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With SSDs being able to transfer 5 Gigabytes per second on this PCIe 4 thing, yes, you'll probably need a fan or heatpipes on the motherboard to cool the southbridge. Maybe later if they transition to a 7nm chipset, it will become passively cooled, but as of now the yields for 7nm have to go to the important stuff, the CPUs and GPUs.


Anyway, the chipset has a TDP of 11w, the fan shouldn't be too loud and you can probably find a way to put a better one yourself if you're too concerned. Under normal operation you shouldn't hear it at all. The southbridge on my X79 board has a TDP of 7.8w and has a fan, I set it to low speed in the BIOS and I can't hear it over ambient noise and the rest of the PC.


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So the fans are only needed for NVME drives and not SATA drives? I have 3 SATA drives and don't want the clutter of a fan there.


Also, I have 2 motherboards that cost $130 that have heat pipes going down there. Why would I want to pay $500 for a motherboard with that heat pipe?

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Quote: Originally Posted by miklkit View Post
So the fans are only needed for NVME drives and not SATA drives? I have 3 SATA drives and don't want the clutter of a fan there.


Also, I have 2 motherboards that cost $130 that have heat pipes going down there. Why would I want to pay $500 for a motherboard with that heat pipe?
The fan is for the chipset it has nothing to do with the physical SATA and M.2 ports/slots
Due to PCI-E 4.0 the X570 chipset draws up to 11 watts compared to 5 watts on the X470 chipset so thats why it needs a fan

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excuse the huge copy pasta:

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The new X570 chipset marks the first consumer motherboard chipset to feature PCIe 4.0 by default. We saw that manufacturers were preparing its previous generation X470/B450 motherboards to offer limited PCIe 4.0 support through a wave of firmware updates – taking advantage of the CPU's independent on-die PCIe controller – but due to certain requirements of PCIe 4.0, it's likely that previous generation boards will only have the top full-length slot running PCIe 4.0 when paired with a Ryzen 3000 series processor. The limitations are due to the length of the traces that the PCIe 4.0 interface requires. This means traces longer than a few inches won't be able to operate PCIe 4.0 unless the traces are fitted with redrivers to push the signal further down the board.
this is AMD's in house chipset however the only specs i found for the pci-e retimers/redrivers is an intel spec sheet (table 4.2):
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/ww...l-features.pdf

a x4 retimer can use 1.7 watts each. the more ports to pic-e 4.0 devices the higher the power consumption.

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One of the caveats to a more powerful chipset is that it draws around 11 W of power; for comparative reasons, the X470 chipset drew around 6 W of power to operate. (This is different to the 15W being reported - it appears AMD is making two variants of the chipset, with the 11W on consumer boards and the 15W for enterprise, with the 15W having more PCIe lanes.)
that is likely the difference to say a board that has 3 NVME drives as opposed to two or just one (one is always from the cpu w/16/4/4 (gpu/nvme/pch) pci-e lanes.)


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sorry not a huge copy pasta - too much of the article - though ian wouldn't have minded.

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The new X570 Master from Giga does have a fan but is not EATX.

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With SSDs being able to transfer 5 Gigabytes per second on this PCIe 4 thing, yes, you'll probably need a fan or heatpipes on the motherboard to cool the southbridge. Maybe later if they transition to a 7nm chipset, it will become passively cooled, but as of now the yields for 7nm have to go to the important stuff, the CPUs and GPUs.


Anyway, the chipset has a TDP of 11w, the fan shouldn't be too loud and you can probably find a way to put a better one yourself if you're too concerned. Under normal operation you shouldn't hear it at all. The southbridge on my X79 board has a TDP of 7.8w and has a fan, I set it to low speed in the BIOS and I can't hear it over ambient noise and the rest of the PC.
Wasn't the Socket 939 nForce 4 chip almost 30 watts and was still passively cooled in a number of motherboards? That was the era of failing chipset fans.

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So this might be a dumb question, but here goes.......Will we need new PSU's to utilize all pci-e goodness while needing that 8+4 cpu power? (I'm sure some have that type of PSU, but as a budget guy, I stay <750w models)
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So this might be a dumb question, but here goes.......Will we need new PSU's to utilize all pci-e goodness while needing that 8+4 cpu power? (I'm sure some have that type of PSU, but as a budget guy, I stay <750w models)
You don't even need 8+4 or 8+8 considering the TDPs for these chips and the fact that a single 8 pin would be fine up to 300w. At that point, you have other problems to worry about (aka cooling the chip itself if it's drawing that amount of power).

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excuse the huge copy pasta:


this is AMD's in house chipset however the only specs i found for the pci-e retimers/redrivers is an intel spec sheet (table 4.2):
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/ww...l-features.pdf

a x4 retimer can use 1.7 watts each. the more ports to pic-e 4.0 devices the higher the power consumption.

a little further:


that is likely the difference to say a board that has 3 NVME drives as opposed to two or just one (one is always from the cpu w/16/4/4 (gpu/nvme/pch) pci-e lanes.)


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sorry not a huge copy pasta - too much of the article - though ian wouldn't have minded.
Am I misunderstanding or does that mean even say just populating the USB ports from the chipset and using the wifi on boards that have it might be enough to get the thing hot?

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