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post #11 of 27 (permalink) Old 06-16-2019, 08:40 PM
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I'm straying from the thread direction here and going back to OP post about SLI 2080Ti, but wasn't the 2080Ti shown to be the first card to fully saturate 8x PCIE 3?

Will you get a bandwidth boost running the PCI-E 3.0 spec cards in PCI-E 4.0 slots at x8/x8?? If you're forking out the $2000~ for SLI 2080Ti, I wouldn't want to be losing ~4-6% performance due to a bandwidth bottleneck. If so, I would definitely want the X570 board on that alone. Otherwise I'd consider just knocking it down to SLI OCed 2080s instead.

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We are happy to report that the RTX 2080 Ti is finally able to overwhelm PCIe gen 3.0 x8, posting a small but tangible 2%–3% performance gain when going from gen 3.0 x8 to gen 3.0 x16, across resolutions. Granted, these are single-digit percentage differences, and you won't be able to notice them in regular gameplay, but graphics card makers expect you to pay like $100 premiums for factory overclocks that fetch essentially that much more performance out of the box. The performance difference isn't nothing, just like with those small out-of-the-box performance gains, but such small differences are impossible to notice in regular gameplay.

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Crosshair VII Hero and X470 Gaming 7 should be able to handle the 12 core but I'm not so sure on 16 cores with Gaming 7. Also Gaming 7 as far as I know is T-topology so I wouldn't expect to exceed ~ 3600MHz memory unless there's major improvements to the Ryzen 3000 series memory controller.

Probably can handle up to around 200A / 250W on Gaming 7 (90% efficient up to around 20-25A , with 10x 40A powerstages and finned heatsink) and 400A (around 40A each with 10x 60A powerstages) on Crosshair VII Hero if you can cool it. If you're on water with a 480mm radiator then you can handle over 350W so I'd look into the Crosshair VII Hero but try to add cooling on the powerstages.

Those are the only two boards I'd be looking at with 12 cores in mind besides the Asrock X470 Taichi which might be close due to 12x 40A TI NexFET powerblocks but doesn't have the heatsink of Gaming 7 or powerstages of Crosshair VII Hero.

Each Ryzen core already pulls around 20-22W each under boost, so a 12 core is probably going to be around 250W.


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Crosshair VII Hero https://www.performance-pcs.com/bits...-vii-hero.html , https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fb-asus...noblock-nickel
X470 Gaming 7 https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fb-ga-x...-rgb-monoblock , https://shop.bitspower.com/index.php...roduct_id=6845
Taichi https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-fb-asro...noblock-nickel , https://www.performance-pcs.com/bits...70-taichi.html


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https://www.kitguru.net/components/l...proper-vrms/5/ , https://www.kitguru.net/components/l...i-fi-review/4/
Crosshair VII Hero VRM temp with Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4.25GHz = 46°C (Power draw at wall in Blender = 225W)
X470 Gaming 7 VRM temp with Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4.25GHz = 54°C (Power draw at wall in Blender = 238W)
Taichi VRM temp with Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4.25GHz = 75°C (Power draw at wall in Blender = 237W)
This comparison is dubious. First off the Taichi is not 12 40amp stages it's 12+4. Secondly the VRM heatsink is quite substantial, has any proper testing been done to compare them? The reviewer could not even overclock the Taichi properly'
Thirdly VRM temps are GREATLY affected by LLC settings, no mention was made of any setting...likely used auto.

I have never seen the VRM's on my Taichi go over 67c, and that was at 32c ambient temps pushing 1.53v through a 12 thread 2600 on a single fan air cooler.

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x570 no doubt. Don't bother with previous gen boards even if they will support the new gen CPUs you won't get every feature, PCIe4, board design for RAM speed and UEFI changes, ...
Backward compatibility is great but it's meant for owners of existing systems not so much for builders of new especially high end systems. Sure for some low end CPU in a low end PC specs you could go with older board with less features for cheap.
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Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
x570 no doubt. Don't bother with previous gen boards even if they will support the new gen CPUs you won't get every feature, PCIe4, board design for RAM speed and UEFI changes, ...
Backward compatibility is great but it's meant for owners of existing systems not so much for builders of new especially high end systems. Sure for some low end CPU in a low end PC specs you could go with older board with less features for cheap.
I agree. If you can afford those GPUs you should not cheap out on the motherboard. At least get a mid-tier X570.

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I disagree. If building an ITX system really no point in an X board anyway. Current 400 series of B boards are just as good as X series on ITX platform and the chiset offers no tangible benefits.
What is an ITX system builder getting for buying a 500 series motherboard:

1) 570 chipset with active cooling.
2) PCIE 4. Is this really needed? PCIE 3 is fine for NVME drive times. A 2080 Ti only just comes close to saturating PCIE 3 bandwidth at 8x so if running at 16x loads of room for future GPU upgrades.
3) Better VRMs. Deffinately a positive but only if buying a 12 or 16 core part. VMs on current 400 series ITX boards will handle overclocking an 8 core part just fine.
4) Faster RAM speed. The returns are diminishing at the cost of latency. Not much performance difference for games running 3200 vs 3600 with current 2000 series CPUs.

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I've decided I'm going with the 3950x as my CPU. I'm also pretty convinced that x570 memory capabilities are decently upgraded from x470 (I've heard rumors of 5GHz) and 4666 not being out of the ordinary.

The two boards I have my eyes on are the

Crosshair VIII Formula

And the

ASRock x570 Aqua

Now I just need to find a high clocking pair of DDR4, but seeing as the 3950x isn't released until September, I have time to see what comes about in July.

Also, keep your eyes on the Gigabyte Aorus boards.
I've heard the BIOS has been heavily reworked and is way better now (Obviously will have to see when reviews come out if this is true)
But for top tier, the Aorus X570 Xtreme is super overkill for pushing a 3950X as it can potentially deliver 1000Amps to the CPU @ 1.2V
The waterforce is basically the same but with a stock full board water block.

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""Many of you know that I have often recommended X470 GAMING M7 AC. This board is one of the best that is now on the shelves. But at the moment I have to warn all users. Zen 2 support is not currently available. Deception."

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Seriously.... why should I spend s ton of money "South Africa" on a X570 mobo when I have an Asus Crosshair Vii Hero which will give over 1000watt at 1.7vcore under ln2. Ill drop a Ryzen 9 3900x into it snd see how it goes. When I have more info regarding the new boards Ill make an educated decision.

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Seriously.... why should I spend s ton of money "South Africa" on a X570 mobo when I have an Asus Crosshair Vii Hero which will give over 1000watt at 1.7vcore under ln2. Ill drop a Ryzen 9 3900x into it snd see how it goes. When I have more info regarding the new boards Ill make an educated decision.

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I agree with you and I'm on a same position. Exchange rate - 15 to US$. Then Distributor profits. After that, retailer profits.
But I am not going for Ryzen 9's.

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No question about it. x570.
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