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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-17-2019, 05:14 PM - Thread Starter
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Coming over from Intel, help with X470/B450

As the title says, pretty much coming over from Intel. Got a decent paying job, no real expenses (IE GF/wife, kids) so can actually upgrade to what I want.

I am looking at grabbing a 3700X, can't justify the others, though would love 'em. I am very much into gaming (FPS, MMO, RTS, etc) and think an 8 core is way to go.

That being said, read a lot about MSI Gaming Pro Carbon and Asrock Taichi as two of the more popular boards. I know ROG Crosshair, but not going to be doing LN2 or really hardcore/serious OCing. Want to effectively use PBO and best RAM I could. Any other boards I should take a serious look at? Hidden pitfalls/gems of the two I mentions?
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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 06-17-2019, 05:26 PM
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If you're waiting for a 3700X then just wait for B550/X570 too.

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The thing is, B550 will still be expensive, and will just be PCI 3.0 per reports. 3700x releases 7/7 and B550 will be out 1st Half of 2020, so Anywhere from Jan 1 to June 30 or so.

Edit: And if needed can upgrade to a B550 board when it releases.

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If you buy a x470 Taichi you would need to have it flashed, there's no CPU-less BIOS flashing.


Anyhow if you're looking at the B450 Pro Carbon and X470 Taichi they're usually worth $130-140 and $210ish respectively. The B450 Pro Carbon is a better fit for a 6 core unless you have decent airflow over it or just plan on gaming without using any encoding/streaming.



The X470 Pro Carbon usually isn't worth it (especially at the $190-$200 they ask currently). The Taichi is stronger overall in terms of featureset and such, even if the Pro Carbon supposedly has better memory overclocking by 100-200MHz due to daisy chain memory topology. The main things about the Taichi that are extremely helpful are the overclocking features : Debug code LED, heatpipe for the power delivery, external base clock , etc. If you have a case with USB 3.1 gen 2 the Taichi has front panel USB 3.1 gen 2 connector via ASM3142. The weakest part of the Taichi is the wifi solution but you can upgrade this since it uses the standard E-key slot (it's fine for bluetooth). The M.2 NvMe SSD placement on the Taichi is also considered better.

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Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
If you buy a x470 Taichi you would need to have it flashed, there's no CPU-less BIOS flashing.


Anyhow if you're looking at the B450 Pro Carbon and X470 Taichi they're usually worth $130-140 and $210ish respectively. The B450 Pro Carbon is a better fit for a 6 core unless you have decent airflow over it or just plan on gaming without using any encoding/streaming.



The X470 Pro Carbon usually isn't worth it (especially at the $190-$200 they ask currently). The Taichi is stronger overall in terms of featureset and such, even if the Pro Carbon supposedly has better memory overclocking by 100-200MHz due to daisy chain memory topology. The main things about the Taichi that are extremely helpful are the overclocking features : Debug code LED, heatpipe for the power delivery, external base clock , etc. If you have a case with USB 3.1 gen 2 the Taichi has front panel USB 3.1 gen 2 connector via ASM3142. The weakest part of the Taichi is the wifi solution but you can upgrade this since it uses the standard E-key slot (it's fine for bluetooth). The M.2 NvMe SSD placement on the Taichi is also considered better.
Thanks so much, so may go with the x470. Do you know if AMD still has Boot Kit where they ship out something like an APU where you can flash the BIOS?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coydog View Post
Thanks so much, so may go with the x470. Do you know if AMD still has Boot Kit where they ship out something like an APU where you can flash the BIOS?
That would be a PITA.

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Not all X570 will be that expensive despite having the featues like PCIe4. I saw the Asus TUF and said to cost like 180$. Its overkill for a low tier motherboard. Much better than my Asus Prime X470Pro. Really overkill for even a 6 or 8 core. Probably meant to run a 12 core. I think it is in the same league as the current Taichi.

The only time you'll need the more expensive X570 board is if you'll consider the 16 core cpu - imo.

I'll be using my Asus X470 Prime Pro for a 12 core. If it can handle my 8-core at 4.1 all core oc, it should handle a 12 core at stock. Might switch to a X590 when they come out.

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You won't need a X570 for the new Zens, It seems quite a bit rip off the prices we are seeing. Get a decent X470 like the Taichi or the Crosshair and save your money.
Even this guy says the same thing.
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