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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 06-21-2019, 03:21 AM - Thread Starter
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High end x470 or low end x570? [around 225$][No need PCIe4]

Hi guys!
As I was was saying on "this thread my MSI x470 Gaming Pro Carbon has a temperature sensor failing, as it was from Amazon refurbished they cannot replace and they offered me money back.
Actually I have a Ryzen 2600X but planning to upgrade to 3600x/3800x.

So my question is, what shoul I do, go for a High end x470 like Asrock x470 Taichi or go for a low-end x570 about 200-250$?

In my opinion, as I'm not going to use PCI-e 4.0, high end x470 should be better on quality and VRM's vs low-end x570, but what do you think?

Thanks!

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Well, I've found a Asus Crosshair VII Wifi refurbished (as new, from amazon) for 230€, as I have 1 month to decide if return it I'll check it and wait for reviews so to keep it, buy a new Asrock x470 taichi or buy a x570 mobo.

I'll keep you informed guys
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Nothing guys, as I received the CH7 I've returned id, had some thermal paste on the socket and clear signs of extrem overclock with ln2 or similar.

I'll wait until 7/7 to see real diferences in x570 vs x470 and decide a low/mid x570 or x470 Taichi.
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One more update, Asus x470 ROG Strix F Gaming came on sale at 169€, after checking about it's quality (VRM) and support I've just decided to buy it.
It will arrive tomorrow, so I'll try it first with 2600 and later with 3700x, I'll comment some impresions.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rul3s View Post
Hi guys!
As I was was saying on "this thread my MSI x470 Gaming Pro Carbon has a temperature sensor failing, as it was from Amazon refurbished they cannot replace and they offered me money back.
Actually I have a Ryzen 2600X but planning to upgrade to 3600x/3800x.

So my question is, what shoul I do, go for a High end x470 like Asrock x470 Taichi or go for a low-end x570 about 200-250$?

In my opinion, as I'm not going to use PCI-e 4.0, high end x470 should be better on quality and VRM's vs low-end x570, but what do you think?

Thanks!
I saw the specs of the Asus TUF and it looks like is as good as the Taichi and if im not mistaken it will only be 170$.

Let me see if i can find the info about it.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS/

Prices

https://www.techpowerup.com/256443/alleged-asus-amd-x570-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story

These info might not be accurate.

Cheapest Taichi x470 i saw is 200$.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post
I saw the specs of the Asus TUF and it looks like is as good as the Taichi and if im not mistaken it will only be 170$.

Let me see if i can find the info about it.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS/

Prices

https://www.techpowerup.com/256443/a...a-horror-story

These info might not be accurate.

Cheapest Taichi x470 i saw is 200$.
Do you know when is the release date?

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Do you know when is the release date?
I understand the X570s would be available at the same time as the cpus.

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Also the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite is set to release at $199

Other boards at or around $200
GIGABYTE X570 I Aorus Pro Wi-Fi ($219)
MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS
MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE
MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI
ASUS TUF PLUS X570 $170
ASROCK X570 Steel Legend
ASROCK X570 Extreme4
ASROCK X570 Phantom Gaming 4
ASROCK X570 Pro4


In Addition, given that pricing is all rumors at this point, keep your eyes on the $250 range boards, as there is a chance that they come in a bit cheaper.

GIGABYTE X570 Aorus Pro
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buy a cheap temporary B450 board for the 2600X and wait for 3000 series to launch.
more X570 boards will come out during the time in between and its better to choose at that time.

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There's no X570 board really worth buying < $200 to be honest.

From the bottom:
  • Asrock x570 Pro4 --- this is basically a B450 board with PCIE 4.0 + ALC1220 / Intel LAN , half the board is unheatsinked (it's probably SOC VRM but still) , supposedly 8 sets of sinopower power delivery
  • Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 --- same as Pro4 with a different aesthetic
  • MSI Gaming Plus --- glorified B450 board with PCIE 4.0 + possibly ALC1220 , 8 sets of newer Onsemi fets
  • MSI Gaming Edge --- glorified B450 board with wifi + PCIE 4.0 , same as Gaming Plus more or less
  • Gigabyte x570 Gaming X --- no USB 3.1 , audio is ALC887; the board has half the mosfets on rear of the board without heatsink, but runs 30 mosfets for VCORE (10 sets with 2x low side)
  • MSI Pro Carbon --- it's essentially a 10 dual-N fet board with a plastic cover on it to make that advantage more or less non-existent ; 4 layer PCB, people would buy this for the RGB-ness and wifi probably , if it's ~ $220 it's a failure
  • Asus X570-P --- it's packing 10 powerstages but nobody knows what the PWM layout is and such, ALC1200 and Realtek LAN
  • Asus TUF Plus --- it's running 12x DrMos but the PWM is unknown and they could be doing something like 3 powerstages on one PWM signal plus the VRM heatsink is small; ALC1200 + Realtek LAN

Might be worth buying since you're looking at 6-8 cores:
  • Asus Prime x570 Pro --- it's running 12x DrMos but we don't know what PWM it is , how the layout is , or how the VRM heatsink performs ; feature-wise it's midrange
  • Asrock X570 Extreme4 --- it's supposedly 8x DrMos (unconfirmed) which is somewhat comparable to the X470 Taichi but it isn't heatpiped so you still probably need additional airflow , 12K hour FP caps, no major advances on X470 Taichi otherwise other than PCIE 4.0
  • Asrock X570 Steel Legend --- same as Extreme4 , heatsink may be a bit bigger
  • Gigabyte Aorus Elite --- it's more or less the same power delivery components as the Extreme4 but with more of them and a bigger heatsink (12 vs 8) , daisy chain memory, note it is 4 layer PCB with ALC1200, rumored $200
  • Asrock X570 Taichi --- it's been upgraded to wifi 6 along with PCIE 4.0, powerstages are upgraded to 50A DrMos not that it matters for 8 cores ; still T-topology for memory so no change there either however likely to be along the lines of $250-300

Highly likely to be worth buying:
Gigabyte x570 Aorus Pro --- it's 12x IR powerstages with a proper finned heatsink, daisy chain memory , dual BIOS, heatpiped similar to Taichi , etc. , rumored $250

Probably over $250 but below $400 but decent as well in no particular order ; utter overkill for 8 cores:
  • Asus Crosshair VIII Hero --- rumored $360-380 depending on wifi
  • Gigabyte x570 Aorus Master --- direct PWM , supposedly $350ish
  • MSI x570 Ace --- rumored $330
  • (Asrock Creator --- Thunderbolt 3 + 10G LAN)
  • (Gigabyte Aorus Xtreme --- rumored $600 , no chipset fan)
  • (MSI Creation --- some rumors over $450 , many IO ports if you need them)

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Any mATX x570 boards?

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According 8Pack, 3733mhz x32gb is easily done on all x570 boards that he tried. However the boards tested are not mentioned.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/th...#post-32809307

*EDIT: 4x8GB or 2x16GB modules (Either combination)

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I have my eyes on the X570 Taichi, been exceptional on the previous generations, I'm looking forward to see some reviews, the powerstages of 50A DrMos is more than enough for some good 16 core Zen2 madness
My try my chiller for the first time on AMD, we shall see how good is the 7nm process is..
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