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post #91 of 143 (permalink) Old 12-04-2019, 01:39 AM
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Tried with ryzen master, doesn't help at all...
Something you are not doing well.
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post #92 of 143 (permalink) Old 12-04-2019, 02:04 AM
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2 months ago i got the TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) plus a ryzen 7 3700x. the only down side that i have with it was that compared to the asus x370 crosshair VI hero was it doesn't have as many USB on the back io. plus it doesn't have a front hook up for the front panel usb 3.1. other then that i am loving the asus gaming plus x570 wi fi. i got that motherboard and the ryzen 3700x for my 29th birthday at best buy. the motherboard was $200 and the cpu was $340.

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Something you are not doing well.
Tell me what I'm doing wrong then. I tried manually setting everything, partly manual and partly auto, very loose timings, mem voltage at 1.45 (which should be way more than enough) soc at 1.1,...

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post #94 of 143 (permalink) Old 12-04-2019, 12:05 PM
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The way I'm getting monster performance out of my 3900x:
I'm setting the RAM entirely manually starting with the DRAM calculator and using the Hynix CJR memory type, even though the new hynix chips on my kit aren't technically supported by the calculator yet. This is the RAM kit I'm using:
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-...82E16820232861
Set the DRAM calculator to 3733 or 3800 and use the timings it comes up with at that speed. Tweak from there once everything else is stable.
You WILL need to use taiphoon burner to properly pull the RAM info. You can NOT just click the read XMP button in the DRAM calculator. It doesn't work that way. You import the info from taiphoon then click "safe." That will get you the correct timings.

Now the rest of the story:
DOCP is OFF. That's right, OFF. It works pretty well on or off, but when I was making my last push to get 1900 FCLK stable, the more of ASUS automatic crap I could turn off, the better.

I don't use "AMD Overclocking" at all. Never even enabled the menu.

I use a negative voltage offset somewhere between .075 and .1

RAM voltage between 1.35 and 1.39.

Digi VRM, I do have the power targets bumped up a little (not huge) so it won't quite limit under a Prime 95 blend run.

AIDA 64:
RAM Read is over 58000. I can easily break 59000 but traded timings for lower latency for gaming.
RAM Latency 59.7 to 59.9.

CPUz single thread bench: Over 530.

My CPU's boosts aren't anything special and I let the chip handle itself on that. When all cores are loaded really hard around 4075mhz. I do see single cores bump to 4.45 occasionally. But with such a high FCLK and low RAM latency worrying about the last 100mhz on the CPU (which is nearly impossible to control on these new Ryzens) isn't worth the hassle. It's already destroying the 9900k almost everywhere.

Temps are fantastic. Prime 95 blend on my Noctua D15S topping out about 70C. Everything else is at or under that obviously.

So there's no confusion, my system is now 24/7 stable for all use. I hammered it for many hours the last fews nights playing RDR2 no crashes at all. No concerns leaving it just like this forever now.

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As near as I can tell, all the motherboard manufacturers are just out to lunch on their default settings. FAR too much voltage, in the wrong places, generating FAR too much heat and gaining little to nothing in additional stability.

The battle, nearly ALL the battle, is directly linked to RAM stability. Including stabilizing the really high FCLK setings.

The sooner you realize that and stop fighting the hopeless CPU boost battle the better.

Yes, you COULD turn on all core overclock or per CCX control but the amount of voltage (and HEAT) you have to start pumping is generally not worth the small extra performance gain. The automatic boost control of the CPU, when everything is right, really does do a good job of deciding moment to moment what the best tradeoff is between perf and heat.

I'm just not comfortable locking all the cores at 4.3+ and letting the CPU go up to 90c. Because at least right now we can't really force a higher max effectively without making the minimums also full torch all the time.

I want the CPU to live a long life and be able to hold the 1900 FCLK through all of it's life rather than risking migration degrading performance. ALL the good performance metrics come from high FCLK and low latency combined. Raw MHZ is the least important of those 3 things.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Advil000 View Post
As near as I can tell, all the motherboard manufacturers are just out to lunch on their default settings. FAR too much voltage, in the wrong places, generating FAR too much heat and gaining little to nothing in additional stability.

The battle, nearly ALL the battle, is directly linked to RAM stability. Including stabilizing the really high FCLK setings.

The sooner you realize that and stop fighting the hopeless CPU boost battle the better.

Yes, you COULD turn on all core overclock or per CCX control but the amount of voltage (and HEAT) you have to start pumping is generally not worth the small extra performance gain. The automatic boost control of the CPU, when everything is right, really does do a good job of deciding moment to moment what the best tradeoff is between perf and heat.

I'm just not comfortable locking all the cores at 4.3+ and letting the CPU go up to 90c. Because at least right now we can't really force a higher max effectively without making the minimums also full torch all the time.

I want the CPU to live a long life and be able to hold the 1900 FCLK through all of it's life rather than risking migration degrading performance. ALL the good performance metrics come from high FCLK and low latency combined. Raw MHZ is the least important of those 3 things.
And that in a nutshell is the story here and is backed up by the decent YT reviews.

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post #97 of 143 (permalink) Old 12-04-2019, 04:38 PM
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Using software instead of going directly to the Bios is a bad idea.
When you configure it for the first time with Ryzen Master, then you can configure from the Bios (although not all the parameters). It only remains to wait for ASUS.

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Quote: Originally Posted by __RAMI__ View Post
When you configure it for the first time with Ryzen Master, then you can do it from the BIos (although not all the parameters). It only remains to wait for ASUS.
Can't wait to put the new build together and find out about all these new nuances.

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G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600 16-19-19-39 CL 16 1.35V
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Corsair Force Series Gen.4 PCIe MP600 500GB NVMe M.2 SSD
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Noctua NH-D15
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Veddha GriderCase alpha V1
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Win 10 Pro 64bit
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Redragon K589 SHRAPNEL RGB Mechanical Keyboard
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Logitech G502 Hero
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Cambridge Soundworks 5.1
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PulseLabz Challenger Gaming Chair
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Asus Maximus VI Rog Gene
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This motherboard has memory voltage sensor ?
HWiNFO64 is not showing memory voltage .
also ryzen master for some reason that price and to manually put vsoc shows 1.3v. I've given 1.1v bios

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No memory voltage sensor that works with 3rd parts programs. I havn't tried the ASUS utility, I don't like their software. that particular voltage report is not terribly important as the other set voltages are a bigger issue and the RAM setting is usually quite close on most motherboards and has a wide range of safe operating voltage.

It's interesting it doesn't show it, but I never felt the need to actually check it.

I just checked my VSOC and it reports correctly in Ryzen Master. Manually set in BIOS to 1.075. Ryzen Master reports 1.081. Pretty close.
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