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Thanks.

I have read multiple threads in multiple forums but there are always some people with weird problems that I am not sure if they are self caused or BIOS caused. Because I am prepairing to build a system worth a lot of money it is just better to ask than to "suspect".


I already have a question..... somewhere I have heard that Asus x570 VIII Hero still has problems with fan control (which does supposedly not work). Do you know any more about that?
I am planning to have an air cooled system which must be completely silent at IDLE. On my ancient Intel system I was able to achieve that at IDLE all fans are turned off.

Of course later on I will try to overclock if possible but system must be completely stable at default (100% working fan control is also included in the "stability" of the motherboard).


Thanks for help!

I use Arctic Bionix PWM fans and let the board control them all. I also had an Intel system (i7 4790k + ROG Maximus VI Hero) and this system allows for much better fan control through the bios- for example, on my Intel setup before I upgraded, I had to use fancontrol service under Linux or my fans would be at 100% at all times. This was pretty much a nightmare to initially figure out and configure (done through a txt file essentially).

On this board, though, the BIOS fan control handles all of that if you have a distro with Ryzen 3000 firmware support compiled into the kernel. So, my fans will ramp up under load and otherwise follow my manual fan profile from the bios that decreases or increases speed depending on temperature (which seems to be based on socket temp).

Under Windows it should be no problem but you WILL have to use AI Suite (ASUS software) to program the fan controller. Once you do this initially and set your fan profile (using a graph), which does have an "auto stop" feature checkbox that turns the fans off below a certain temperature, and you save your profile, it is retained within Windows and you basically don't need to leave the AI Suite software running or ever load it again as it saves the profile to a file (I assume) and then runs a background service to control your fan speed and apply the profile, including the auto fan off.

There doesn't appear to be an option for this in the bios for PWM or normal fans- it just adjusts the current to the fan (it's pretty fine control between 1-100%), I have never actually tested if you can set it to 0 or 1 and have the fans not run.

Auto fan stop is probably not the best idea with Ryzen 3000 chips, any of them, because they idle quite hot and without any case fans or heatsink/rad fans running your chip will probably be idling close to 60C. You can still use some quality fans and set them to a low speed at idle, and once you adjust your voltage and oc the chip will idle around 40C or so with the fans at a speed that is essentially inaudible or barely so, but you will probably want to keep them running and have a large case with great airflow, even for the 3700x. If you use a large tower heatsink you may be able to just run the rear heatsink fan at a low speed. (e.g. pull) If you use really really good quiet fans like Scythe Gentle Typhoon, Servo's or Kaze Jyu's this might be inaudible (sorry haven't air cooled on tower heatsinks for a very long time, lol, and never bought or used quiet fans, I always go with HP fans, so my knowledge on current quality quiet fans is nonexistent but these were great and very popular around 2011/2012)

EDIT: If you don't overclock and disable boost, or give it a mild OC (4GHz all cores might be reasonable and doable at 1.2v, stock with boost off is 1100mV or 1.1v as I tested that, the 8 core chips probably use less but I dunno), you may not need to worry about idle temperatures but I can't test this because my chip is a 12 core. The cache and RAM controller is quite different too, or at least, more capable.

Make of this what you will but if temps and inaudible fans are your concern, the experience may be better on Intel chipsets, at least right now, as they are still very much working the kinks out with the x570 platform through BIOS updates atm. However, if performance and especially price/performance is your concern, well the 3700x overclocked correctly and with DDR4 3600MHz+ compares pretty favorably to an i9-9900k for over $150 less. It will likely gain performance over time and I would be unsurprised if because of vulnerabilities and the chip still being 14nm, that a i9-9900k a few years down the line will be worse in everything compared to a 3700x even if it is running at 5.2GHz with DDR4-4000+. Architecture and feature size on the Ryzen 3000 chips makes it superior although right now you could of course argue against this and provide a reasonable argument as to why. Only time will tell but I'm pretty confident that AMD and the board vendors will squeeze substantially more performance out of these chips and particularly my 3900x.

Hope this helps your purchase decision. I'm thrilled with my rig and it is a significant and worthwhile upgrade from my i7-4790k- which lasted me 6 years- I fully expect this new setup to last just as long if not longer.

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Hey Neurotix, thank you very much for you detailed answer!!! You really helped me a lot. I was not sure what to do but now I have quite a good picture.
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first of all I like to thank all of you. That's a great and very informative thread and you got some nice folks here.

Neurotix, very nice details indeed. Since you mentioned the AI-Suite, i have a question: Is it already running on the CH8? I read about Fan Xpert 3, but didn't try it by now.
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Thanks.

I have read multiple threads in multiple forums but there are always some people with weird problems that I am not sure if they are self caused or BIOS caused. Because I am prepairing to build a system worth a lot of money it is just better to ask than to "suspect".


I already have a question..... somewhere I have heard that Asus x570 VIII Hero still has problems with fan control (which does supposedly not work). Do you know any more about that?
I am planning to have an air cooled system which must be completely silent at IDLE. On my ancient Intel system I was able to achieve that at IDLE all fans are turned off.

Of course later on I will try to overclock if possible but system must be completely stable at default (100% working fan control is also included in the "stability" of the motherboard).


Thanks for help!

There's no problem with fan control. You can adjust each fan to your liking. I would suggest an all-in-one water cooler for a more silent operation. The H100i Pro is about as silent as you'll get. Good luck on your build.

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first of all I like to thank all of you. That's a great and very informative thread and you got some nice folks here.

Neurotix, very nice details indeed. Since you mentioned the AI-Suite, i have a question: Is it already running on the CH8? I read about Fan Xpert 3, but didn't try it by now.
You're welcome. And welcome to OCN.

I would say you're making a very good choice price/performance wise, also with bios updates should you need the performance in the future I think a 3700x with great cooling will do 4.5GHz+. Otherwise, and especially with this board (which gives the chip 1.45v on auto, not sure if they fixed that in the latest bios but AMD claims it's normal), you will most probably want to disable Turbo outright and set the chip down to 1.1v or something. You'll definitely want a very serious $100+ tower heatsink if going air- Dark Rock Pro, Noctua D15 or something along those lines. Also probably want a serious case with great airflow. The socket and VRMs get pretty hot and I've seen my 3900x pulling 135 amps (insane) max during testing but I'm like, really hard on my chips. Being a hwbot bencher... I'm using a special bios and that was in Cinebench R20 with power saving features essentially off so the cores don't jump around or throttle at all to maintain lower power draw and temps. (Be aware that this is a wholly new architecture as I understand it, derived from Zen 1 and TR but altogether different- you WILL see your core speed fluctuating like crazy and it actually changes billions of times a second in all likelihood under load with stock/auto boost settings. No monitoring software can actually show it but yeah, if you think your CCD0 CCX0 is at 4625 because HWINfo64 says so, think again. Its decreasing it's speed constantly to maintain thermals from my understanding and from AMD's explanation themselves on reddit. Feel free to shoot this down if you disagree or know better but this is my understanding of how these chips work).

Also in a few years you'll have a great upgrade path to a used 3900x or even 3950x (32 thread!) if you like, or you can move to whatever comes next with Zen 3 assuming it will work on x570.

If you're coming from an Intel quad or Extreme Edition 6 core it's well worth it, but anything like Ryzen 2000 or i7-8700k or newer, the improvement is probably not worth it. Worth it for me though but I gotta peddle my old kit on ebay because wife. Wish me luck, my 4790k was a SiliconLottery delid binned at 4.8GHz 1.3v, with DDR3-2600 C10. No buyers so far...

As far as a CLC, mine is probably limiting my OC if I had to guess because my temps get quite high and I think I may actually have a great chip as I can do 1900 fclk no sweat and everything I've read indicates the majority of chips can't. I might have to get a 360mm AIO and new fans for it- in a few months once my old stuff is sold and I can convince the wife I might actually do one of those EK starter kits, the ones with a combo res/pump that sits in your 5 1/4" bay. And add a premium block. Afaik it wouldn't be much more than a 360 AIO. I'd not be surprised in the least if a Noctua D15 would cool this thing a bit better than my H100i V2. And in the GamersNexus comparison of AIOs, the V2 cools stuff much better than the newer H100i Pro..

As far as the Fan Xpert 3, yeah, AI Suite installs it. Works fine for me on Win10 Pro 1903. However, I don't have it installed (I reformatted a few times when I broke W10- I held out on Win7 x64 w/ patches for years >.>). As I said, it basically also installs a Windows service that is always running and after you set a a fan profile you're happy with, you can disable AI Suite even starting up or running as the 'Asus Fancontrol Service' (was called that on my Win7/Maximus VI Hero anyway) will just apply your profile on startup. In this case, you don't want to bother with fan control through the bios. It's pretty much set it up and forget about AI Suite unless you need to open it to make a change. I do believe it launches on it's own as a scheduled task so hopefully you use W10 Pro and have access to Task Scheduler administrative tool so you can disable AI Suite running when you log in. I don't think it shows as a startup entry in Task Manager or elsewhere but I might be wrong.

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