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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 07-10-2019, 08:09 PM - Thread Starter
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Asus Crosshair VIII Hero Wifi or Gigabyte Aorus Master

Hey guys, its been almost 10 years since I last followed any pc news. My desktop finally died (after working for 12 years) and I'm thinking of getting a new system.

I have been reading up on PC components and am thinking of going with the AMD X570 platform. (Never used AMD before).

I'm a huge fan of Asus motherboards, was crazy about the RIIE and RIIIE but have narrowed my choices down to the Asus Crosshair VIII Hero Wifi and the Gigabyte Aorus Masters.

The main difference between the two (base on my limited knowledge)
Hero v Masters

- More Sata/USB v more M2s
- Phases: 7+1 v 12+2?
- 60a v 50a
- Warranty: 3 years date of purchase v 3 years from manufacturing date?

Honestly, I think the sata/usb would be more important than the m2 for me. In terms of power phases, which is better?
Also, does anyone have any experience with either vendor's RMA/Customer Support in Germany?

As you guys can probably tell, I keep my systems for a really long time, so I kinda just want to go all in and leave it running 24/7 for the next 6-10 years.

Thanks so much.


Edit: Based on Geizhals.de
Hero: 8 real-time phases (7 + 1), PWM controller: ASP1405I / IR35201 (8-phase maximum), MOSFETs (CPU / SoC): 12x 60A (IR3555), 4x 60A (IR3555)

Master: 14 real phases (12 + 2), only real phases, PWM controller: XDPE132G5C (16 phases maximum), MOSFETs (CPU / SoC): 12x 50A (IR3556), 2x 50A (IR3556)

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What about msi Meg Ace? Comparison between the 3? I'm eyeing the msi because it has heatpipe connecting the chipset hsf to the vrm hsf, something that no other board on that price and below has.

Although I have no idea about the bios, tech support for the msi and I never had msi motherboard before. *edit* correction lol, I just remembered, I used an MSI mobo before way back then in amd 939 era, I don't even remember what was the name of that motherboard

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Wow, thanks! Thats amazing! Could you explain what I should be looking out for? (Phases v Amps?) I tried listening to Bullzoid on my way to work and all it gave me was a headache. He was talking about how Single phases are better than doublers and ram topology etc.

From what I could gather;
- Avoid Formula at all cost
- Both the Hero and Master are great boards, but the 50A on the Master was disappointing and that it was weird that Asus didnt use some chip?

If both boards are 100% equal then I'd prolly go for Asus, (have experience with them and they never failed me).

How do you like the Hero so far? Is the fan noisy and what do you think are the chances of them coming out with a full chipset waterblock for the hero?

And sorry if this is a stupid question, but any chance you can tell how how many layered PCB is the Hero using?


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Actually, to be fair, I was initially considering it, but its priced quite a bit higher than the Gigabyte and wasnt sure if it was worth comparing it. (theres a price difference of 60 euros between the Gigabyte and Asus).

Also, I kinda just thought it wouldnt be good after hearing Bullzoid talk about doublers etc. (Again, I know nothing about this, just basing off his videos that I watched whilst driving).
Oh yea, and it only has 4 internal Sata ports because they used the space for some gimmicky overclock switch?

Is there any way to edit the poll? If yes, maybe I could add the MSI in so that it'll be helpful to others?

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@Jiv funny you said that about the price, in my country MSI is cheaper than GB, and although I haven't seen the ASUS pricing in the list yet, I'm sure ASUS is going to compete with GB for the pricing... I don't know much about the electronic stuffs but for me I don't really care about the difference, as it would only matters for extreme overclocking and we already have reviewers plugging 3900X into B350 motherboards they ran just fine

I don't care much about the number of SATA ports as I'm only going to use max 3 drives, possibly two of them going to be nvme, but that heatpipe is again something only seen on more expensive boards so far and no other brands have it on the same price point and lower (!!!) so I think that's a very strong plus and a huge win for MSI, I mean it's pretty simple logic, assuming MSI engineers did their job with the design then that Ace is going to have lower temp on both the chipset and VRM, simply due to the heapipe allowing heat more space to spread, and thus should also make the chipset fan working easier compared to other x570 boards without that heatpipe... MSI Ace is my preference for now.

but we still need reviews and comparison roundup reviews though, just to have the real clear picture, I'm not in a rush to build the pc though.
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Quote: Originally Posted by n4p0l3onic View Post
What about msi Meg Ace? Comparison between the 3? I'm eyeing the msi because it has heatpipe connecting the chipset hsf to the vrm hsf, something that no other board on that price and below has.

Although I have no idea about the bios, tech support for the msi and I never had msi motherboard before. *edit* correction lol, I just remembered, I used an MSI mobo before way back then in amd 939 era, I don't even remember what was the name of that motherboard
Just found this really cool site that allows me to compare prices from all the vendors. Geizhals.de.

The prices are interesting.

MSI Ace 386.90
GB Master 387.00
Asus Hero 447.99

To be fair though, 60 euros for something I'll use for 5 years is perfectly fine.

My System
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Asus Rampage II Extreme
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Asus 5870 v2 + EK waterblock
GPU
Sapphire 5870
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3x4gb Corsair Dominaor + 3x1 gb Kingston Value Ram
Hard Drive
WD Black
Hard Drive
WD Green x 2
Optical Drive
LG
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FSP1200w
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Just found this really cool site that allows me to compare prices from all the vendors. Geizhals.de.

The prices are interesting.

MSI Ace 386.90
GB Master 387.00
Asus Hero 447.99

To be fair though, 60 euros for something I'll use for 5 years is perfectly fine.
I gotta mention the launch prices on the boards here in Europe are all over the place. Often price gauged to hell.

For example with fast incorrect "10kr=1€=1$" I can find the in Sweden:
MSI MEG ACE ~489
Gigabyte Master ~499€
Asus VIII Hero ~499€

The problem being the MSRP for Asus VIII Hero being 380$ US... that's not = 499€...
I can find the equal MSRP Asus WS Pro X470-ACE 380$ US for 3690kr =369€.... I even bought it for 3490kr... Cheaper than MSRP in the end.

Two boards same MSRP but they are priced 499€(469€ sale) vs 369€(349€ sale)...

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I gotta mention the launch prices on the boards here in Europe are all over the place. Often price gauged to hell.

For example with fast incorrect "10kr=1€=1$" I can find the in Sweden:
MSI MEG ACE ~489
Gigabyte Master ~499€
Asus VIII Hero ~499€

The problem being the MSRP for Asus VIII Hero being 380$ US... that's not = 499€...
I can find the equal MSRP Asus WS Pro X470-ACE 380$ US for 3690kr =369€.... I even bought it for 3490kr... Cheaper than MSRP in the end.

Two boards same MSRP but they are priced 499€(469€ sale) vs 369€(349€ sale)...
Yikes, its annoying that the prices are all over the place.

One site quoted the Godlike for 799 while another has it for 711. Another quoted the gigabyte Xtreme for 899 euros.

I was under the impression that the Asus Hero VIII Wifi was around 500 usd? I think we're unlucky in Europe with the VAT I guess? I've just moved to Germany recently and its the first time I'm buying electronics in Europe.

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But what keeps stuck on ROG is the superb UEFI.
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MacG32,

Wow, thanks! Thats amazing! Could you explain what I should be looking out for? (Phases v Amps?) I tried listening to Bullzoid on my way to work and all it gave me was a headache. He was talking about how Single phases are better than doublers and ram topology etc.

From what I could gather;
- Avoid Formula at all cost
- Both the Hero and Master are great boards, but the 50A on the Master was disappointing and that it was weird that Asus didnt use some chip?

If both boards are 100% equal then I'd prolly go for Asus, (have experience with them and they never failed me).

How do you like the Hero so far? Is the fan noisy and what do you think are the chances of them coming out with a full chipset waterblock for the hero?

And sorry if this is a stupid question, but any chance you can tell how how many layered PCB is the Hero using?

ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (WI-FI) 16-phase[14+2]*'| IR3555 60A, PWM: ASP1405I(8-phase), PCB: ?-Layer ,10K caps. 16 phase, not 7. People are saying the chipset fan is inaudible. I'm guessing an 8 - 10 layer PCB, from all that I read, but I could be wrong. Asus has the best BIOS engineers in the business. Their build quality is on point with the other manufactures. I've had a few GB boards in the past and they leave a lot to be desired. MSI is not bad, but their BIOS looks very elementary. People may argue with me, but I highly recommend Asus.


Quote: Originally Posted by Jiv View Post
Just found this really cool site that allows me to compare prices from all the vendors. Geizhals.de.

The prices are interesting.

MSI Ace 386.90
GB Master 387.00
Asus Hero 447.99

To be fair though, 60 euros for something I'll use for 5 years is perfectly fine.

I'm sure if you look at the manufacture's websites for each board and having the information you do now, you'll be able to make an informed decision. Good luck!

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