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post #421 of 436 (permalink) Old 06-19-2020, 01:30 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zed03 View Post
Updated to X570AOXT.20a bios and can confirm the PBO bug with EDC limit is still there.

Any EDC limit value other than 0 results in a ~6-9% drop in performance.
BTW - you could try EDC=1 or 10-15 - depending on your setup/CPU.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-a...rbo-boost.html

I myself rund EDC=1 and TCT/PPT with motherboards max values (700/1300) - works great.

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post #422 of 436 (permalink) Old 06-20-2020, 10:41 AM
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20A is the 1st version that crashes my 3800 RAM 1900 IF in seconds
Same exact settings as before.
Not looking good from where I am sitting.

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20A is the 1st version that crashes my 3800 RAM 1900 IF in seconds
Same exact settings as before.
Not looking good from where I am sitting.
I've noted different IF stability with F20a, you need new voltage settings I would guess.

Other I noted "over voltage protection" for SoC was really low for AUTO, basically anything above 1.100V would reboot, but fixed once set manually to a higher value. Not really needed to mess with it before. AUTO was usually OK in earlier bios, not causing trouble.

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It seems 20A is a "champ" for me.
Onboard audio started crackling. Never had this one on older versions.
Hey Gigabyte, pay your engineers!

Flashed F12f: stable once more and no more audio crackling.

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It seems 20A is a champ for me.
Onboard audio started crackling. Never had this one on older version.
Hey Gigabyte, pay your engineers!
It's related to the SoC & VDDP & VDDG voltages, as I mentioned, F20a behaves differently with FCLK, wants different voltages than before from what I can wrap my head around. A little problematic to be said.

It can use lower procODT than before and the RZQ values can use combinations I've never seen work before.

This is completely altered for MEM & FCLK settings it will accept to earlier. Your old settings might just not work any more with the new AGESA behaviour, it's causing me trouble to troubleshoot issues for my earlier 4800Mhz stable results. Has made it easier but also more problematic with erratic behaviour I've not seen before.

SoC voltage seems utterly weird thus far. Go above 1.100V and it's just a mess. But lower seems better now?
Still trying to figure out the change in behaviour.

EDIT: For example I'm trying out 1.000V SoC right now. Seems functional, just earlier tried 1.050V and was fine in regard to SoC at least. [4800/1900] MEM/FCLK
EDIT2: 1.000V SoC was fine and working, now testing how 0.950V functions, booted at least. [4800/1900] MEM/FCLK, 900/950 VDDG_CCD/VDDG_IOD
EDIT3: 0.925V SoC booted but was ~SLOW~. Gone too low, 0.950V was a little slow as well, but not that noticeable, ~0.975V seems minimum if you care for benchmarks to give normal scores.

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Just a sample after I managed to get 4800/1900 to behave properly on F20a.

4866/1900, 1.050vSoC, 1000mv VDDP, 950/975mv CCD/IOD.

This is my first boot to Windows for 4866Mhz.
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Today I tried some manual OC'ing with the latest BIOS F20a. My first attempt was simple per CCX OC of 43, 43, 42, 42 @ 1.32V. When I then saved those settings it took several reboots (i.e. power off/on) of the computer to get back into the BIOS. The MB would give a successful POST complete BEEP but would display the BIOS screen. When it finally did what I noticed is the CPU voltage was no where near what I had set. It was indicating a voltage of 1.048 - 1.054 volts, which would explain why I was having difficulty getting into the BIOS. I tried higher voltage setting as well as just all core OC of 4.2GHz with same results. I don't have this issue on BIOS version F12e. Now my Extreme MB is ver. 1.1. Don't if that has any bearing on this issue. So, I can OC using PBO and the EDC "bug" no problem. I'm able to run my 4 X 16GB memory at the same timing settings as I do under F12e. So, it is really strange that this new BIOS will not set the CPU core voltage to the fixed value I enter.


EDIT: Today I decided to revisit my manual OC issue. This time I started with a manual OC after reverting to optimized defaults. My first attempt was to simply set the all core clock to 4.2GHz and the voltage to 1.325. When I saved and exited I was able to get back into the BIOS on the first try and low and behold the core voltage was showing the voltage I had set. So, next I went to perCCX OC and no further issues setting the core voltage or setting the tight memory timings. So the only difference from what I described above to this attempt was starting with optimized defaults, go figure!!!!

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New 10 Gbps nic firmware 3.1.109 https://www.marvell.com/content/dam/....0_3.1.109.zip
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Firmware released today, 23 Jun 2020 yet my card seems to already have this version. Twilight zone.

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New 10 Gbps nic firmware 3.1.109 https://www.marvell.com/content/dam/....0_3.1.109.zip
Later edit:
Firmware released today, 23 Jun 2020 yet my card seems to already have this version. Twilight zone.
Seems to be the same firmware in the updater but the software itself maybe got updated to fix some issues?

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For those still in the middle of fiddling around with pre-F20a BIOS on 2-CCD chips I have made a post with my settings that got my golden (like page 116 or 117) in the EDC=1 thread.

Hope it helps anyone who is still in the middle of tweaking and finding their balance.

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