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Is there any notes for the new ABBA bios? E.g. Improved memory. Or is it just the SMU/boost fix stuff?
If you bother to read the text file that comes with it, it specifically states improved memory compatibility. Compatibility and performance are words that are NOT synonymous. You could have the ability to run it at a higher frequency or not. If additional latencies are introduced the performance could be less. 1.03abb has ZERO to do with boost clock fix, that will come in the next bios release.
What I suspected is true. This new bios lowers my manual overclocking ability on my 3900X to 4.275 to occasionally 4.3 GHZ .I used tro have a stable memory config on my dual rank TridentZ DDR4 4000 CL19-18-18-39 dimms at 3600MHZ CL14-15-15-16-34 . Now II can not boot suscessfully with that configuration let alone run with stability. The Ryzen Dram Calculator 1.62 release is highly accurate and states my memory at 3600MHZ will only run at 16-16-16-16-32 tightest timings. So this may for some memory configurations be more compatible but certainly is NOT improving memory performance for my 32GB, 2 dimm memory kit. The obvious speed vs performance sweet spot is still 4.2 GHZ for 24/7 usage. I feel like I just got slapped down in a MMA tourney. I am just drooling in anticipation what the boost clock fix bios release will do to my performance since I do NOT care about boost clocks and will not bother with Precision Boost technology at least until it works better than my manual overclocking, which it does not yet. I am in fully sarcastic mode right now. This bios release increased my memory latency from an average of 70ns to 75ns. Good job AMD!!!!
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1.0.0.3 abba fix the advertised boost problem for me. For real boost there is no much difference. I have some improvement with pbo ,now scalar x10 seems to perform better for me. I have 0.1-0.2 ns lower on aida benchmark probably because of better boost
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If you bother to read the text file that comes with it, it specifically states improved memory compatibility. Compatibility and performance are words that are NOT synonymous. You could have the ability to run it at a higher frequency or not. If additional latencies are introduced the performance could be less. 1.03abb has ZERO to do with boost clock fix, that will come in the next bios release.
What I suspected is true. This new bios lowers my manual overclocking ability on my 3900X to 4.275 to occasionally 4.3 GHZ .I used tro have a stable memory config on my dual rank TridentZ DDR4 4000 CL19-18-18-39 dimms at 3600MHZ CL14-15-15-16-34 . Now II can not boot suscessfully with that configuration let alone run with stability. The Ryzen Dram Calculator 1.62 release is highly accurate and states my memory at 3600MHZ will only run at 16-16-16-16-32 tightest timings. So this may for some memory configurations be more compatible but certainly is NOT improving memory performance for my 32GB, 2 dimm memory kit. The obvious speed vs performance sweet spot is still 4.2 GHZ for 24/7 usage. I feel like I just got slapped down in a MMA tourney. I am just drooling in anticipation what the boost clock fix bios release will do to my performance since I do NOT care about boost clocks and will not bother with Precision Boost technology at least until it works better than my manual overclocking, which it does not yet. I am in fully sarcastic mode right now. This bios release increased my memory latency from an average of 70ms to 75ms. Good job AMD!!!!
I was not talking about the ABB bios. That one comes with notes, I was specifically talking about ABBA which isn't on the official support site yet and doesn't appear to have notes. It's why I asked if there was any notes for the new beta bios which were perhaps somewhere else. The ABB bios I did see an increase in memory OC for 2:1 which if you saw my results I could do 4666 CL16 instead of 4533, not that it matters though because it still isn't enough to overcome the latency penalty but bandwidth was actually really good. 1:1 I do 3733 CL14-14-14-14-26-40 tRFC of 250 and I still get the same latency of 63.2 on both AB and ABB AGESA bios. I haven't tested ABBA yet because I'm only after better memory OC at this point.
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I do 3733 CL14-14-14-14-26-40 tRFC of 250 and I still get the same latency of 63.2 on both AB and ABB AGESA bios. I haven't tested ABBA yet because I'm only after better memory OC at this point.
Im on 3733 CL14 fast preset from calculator, trident z rgb 3200 cl14, are you using the rest of values from calculator? im using the tRFC of 294.

Do you thing lowering trfc and those values over mines will reduce latency?
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Im on 3733 CL14 fast preset from calculator, trident z rgb 3200 cl14, are you using the rest of values from calculator? im using the tRFC of 294.

Do you thing lowering trfc and those values over mines will reduce latency?
No. I don't use the calculator because it simply isn't one, it's just a data base for memory profiles which may or may not work for you. I've found every one of these values myself for what works with my sticks and literally no more of them will tighten at this voltage without becoming unstable, this took me a while but I know it's what my UMC/board is capable of.

But yeah generally being able to lower tRFC should reduce your latency any most other timings will. The "write" timings won't do much since write speed is usually limited by the architecture (per CCD). But I'll post my timings in a picture so you can see them, I wouldn't necessarily suggest copying the majority since my sticks are the highest bin of b-die you can find on the mainstream market (4800mt/s CL18) but you may get away with the tertiaries being the same at the very least.
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The beta bios seems to have fixed my boost issues as well. I haven't noticed any bugs or issues as of yet. Memory timings I used on my previous bios carried over exactly the same, I haven't tried to tighten them any further yet. I have 3 cores that will hit 4600.

I tried a bclk at 101.75 and memory at 3733 (was 3798 effective with the bclk) I got boosts up to around 4675 but I can't keep it stable in gaming as of yet.
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1.0.0.3 abba fix the advertised boost problem for me. For real boost there is no much difference. I have some improvement with pbo ,now scalar x10 seems to perform better for me. I have 0.1-0.2 ns lower on aida benchmark probably because of better boost
What are you talking about??? There is no released or even beta 1.0.0.3 abba bios for the ACE yet. It was just announced by AMD it will be available in about 3 weeks. I would appreciate people checking their bios notes before tooting their horns. It is still a required skill set to read!

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What are you talking about??? There is no released or even beta 1.0.0.3 abba bios for the ACE yet. It was just announced by AMD it will be available in about 3 weeks. I would appreciate people checking their bios notes before tooting their horns. It is still a required skill set to read!
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What are you talking about??? There is no released or even beta 1.0.0.3 abba bios for the ACE yet. It was just announced by AMD it will be available in about 3 weeks. I would appreciate people checking their bios notes before tooting their horns. It is still a required skill set to read!
Someone has provided the link to the download already yet you keep going on about how no one can read, you went off on one yesterday about ABB when I specifically said ABBA because it was released on this site (which was mentioned before yet you missed it). Perhaps you should be the one who learns how to read instead of mouthing off about it, it doesn't hurt to have some manners.

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Someone has provided the link to the download already yet you keep going on about how no one can read, you went off on one yesterday about ABB when I specifically said ABBA because it was released on this site (which was mentioned before yet you missed it). Perhaps you should be the one who learns how to read instead of mouthing off about it, it doesn't hurt to have some manners.
I read that article. It is a early beta bios by MSI NOT something one would want to throw in their everyday machine unless you are looking for trouble or have masochistic tendencies. I apologize about the statement about not reading. I made an incorrect deduction based on the fact 1.40 official bios was released the same date as that extremely early beta bios. 1.40 is abb code. My bad. It is highly unusual for MSI to release a new beta bios the same time they just released an official bios. I have been using their motherboards since Ryzen was 1st introduced 4 years ago and follow their bios releases fairly closely. Once again sorry. Maybe they are starting to listen to everyone complaining how slow there bios releases are both beta and official??

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