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Where is "spread spectrum option"? I can not find it. Aorus Elite F4m



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Where is "spread spectrum option"? I can not find it. Aorus Elite F4m


If the elite is the same as the master its under bclk when set to auto of the tweaks page.

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[Sashley's Blog] Why I think Zen2 still has a 4-core CCX
https://www.sashleycat.com/post/tech...s-a-4-core-ccx




@Ironcobra Looking good. Memory Overclocking is pretty fun on Matisse. Phenom II level fun to me.

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Athlon 64 3000+ @ 2603 MHz
Athlon X2 BE2300 @ 1900 MHz
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSAFs-t0DCg


[Sashley's Blog] Why I think Zen2 still has a 4-core CCX
https://www.sashleycat.com/post/tech...s-a-4-core-ccx




@Ironcobra Looking good. Memory Overclocking is pretty fun on Matisse. Phenom II level fun to me.
I was thinking the same thing when I watched this video.

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Swapped CPUs on the bench - now 3900x

Pulled the 3800X and put the 3900X
Not as happy with the 3900x as with the 3800x - chip for chip the 3800 pulls more weight minus its 4-cores-less limitation. It boosts much better, reaching its rated max at some point on all cores, and under load the all core boost was 4.250 (higher on some individual cores). The UMC is strong easily 1:1:1 (DDR4 3800/MTs cl16 aka; MCLK 1900: UCLK 1900: FCLK 1900) I've posted some screens of that system here before. Also its single thread scores are better - multi-threaded it obviously has a disadvantage.

The 3900X is also good in the UMC - Using the same mem kit and settings as the 3800X and its stable (3000% coverage run using Karhu mem test), R/W/Copy stats all similar with latency values only 1ns less, and that difference is well... chalk it up to alignments of the moon and stars.

The boosting behavior... That is different matter. I have yet to see any core hit rated (I suppose I am hitting the "new" 50MHz less rating) even under light threaded loads. I have a couple cores hitting in the 4.550's-4.575's - but from what I've captured only 3 of 12 cores. All core under load is @ 4.150 (some cores higher at times). Temps are OK I think, but I may be outgrowing my 280mm AIO with this CPU - I'll swap in a 360 later but so far I am not seeing anything outrageous for temps and I don't think close enough to the 80c threshold to limit me to only 4400 MHz but... (did get up to 78c in prime95 w/no avx... 22c ambient)

I ran some Cinebench both r15 and r20 - the scores aren't going to win prizes but also don't suck. Same with Geekbench not a champion but nothing to cry about either. With that said however, I am not really too concerned with cores and boosts etc., as long as the chip delivers some performance. Which it clearly does and I believe still worth what I paid for. It's just not as exciting as the 3800x was for me. I can't wait to get a 3950x and see what it's all about...

The basic setup followed is as in the beginning of this thread and the link from Level1 Techs - Thank Heuchler for all the work he put into gathering info into one spot.

Not doing any all core clocking - not doing anything with PBO etc
Changed Vcore to normal
Did not set XMP !
All Memory setting were input manually per DRAM Calculator and following the method detailed at the beginning of thread.

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A look at the System and some baseline runs.
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Aorus Master x570, 3950X, 32GB GSkill c16 @3800, Sabrent PCIe4 1TB, Sabrent 1TB, 860evo 1TB, 2080Super, HX1200i, Celsius S36, Define S2, pg348q
Aorus Master x570, 3900X, 32GB GSkill c16 @3800, Sabrent PCIe4 1TB, Sabrent 1TB, 860evo 1TB, 5700XT, HX1000i, H150i Pro, Phanteks p600s, lg32gk650f-b
MEG x570 Unify, 3800X, 32GB GSkill c16 @3800, Sabrent PCIe4 1TB, 860Evo 1TB, 1080Ti, RM850x, Celsius S36, Define R6, pg279q
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For me all-core MHz is more interesting than boost clock.

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Matisse binning from Silicon Lottery Statistics (all-core at stock reliability i.e. AVX2 stable)
https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics


1) SSE FREQUENCY IS THE HIGHEST STABLE FREQUENCY DETERMINED FOR NON-AVX WORKLOADS COMPARABLE TO INTEL LINPACK (SSE) AND P95 26.6.
2) AVX2 FREQUENCY IS THE HIGHEST STABLE FREQUENCY DETERMINED FOR AVX2 WORKLOADS COMPARABLE TO INTEL LINPACK (AVX2) AND P95 28.9 AND LATER.
3) AVX-512 FREQUENCY IS THE HIGHEST STABLE FREQUENCY DETERMINED FOR AVX-512 WORKLOADS COMPARABLE TO INTEL LINPACK (AVX-512).
4) FOR AMD SUMMIT RIDGE AND INTEL GENERATIONS UP TO AND INCLUDING BROADWELL-E, A SHORT RUN OF ASUS REALBENCH WAS USED FOR TESTING. WE HAVE FOUND THIS TO BE COMPARABLE TO NON-AVX P95 26.6 STABILITY AND THEREFORE HAVE LISTED THOSE TESTED FREQUENCIES UNDER SSE.


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Reddit sljappswanz collected Geekbench 4 Boost Clock scores and compiled the data into the following graphs
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment..._lots_of_data/

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Too many variances in testing condition Motherboard (AGESA + SMU combo) Cooling Solution (mounting pressure, air pockets in TIM, too thick application of thermal paste), PSU, CPU + SoC voltages, PBO

Same thing applies to the data collect by Roman “der8auer” Hartung



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Quote: Originally Posted by Delta9k View Post
Pulled the 3800X and put the 3900X
Not as happy with the 3900x as with the 3800x - chip for chip the 3800 pulls more weight minus its 4-cores-less limitation. It boosts much better, reaching its rated max at some point on all cores, and under load the all core boost was 4.250 (higher on some individual cores). The UMC is strong easily 1:1:1 (DDR4 3800/MTs cl16 aka; MCLK 1900: UCLK 1900: FCLK 1900) I've posted some screens of that system here before. Also its single thread scores are better - multi-threaded it obviously has a disadvantage.

The 3900X is also good in the UMC - Using the same mem kit and settings as the 3800X and its stable (3000% coverage run using Karhu mem test), R/W/Copy stats all similar with latency values only 1ns less, and that difference is well... chalk it up to alignments of the moon and stars.

Your Ryzen 9 3900X looks like a lot of fun as well. Matisse lineup at each price point has a lot of performance per dollar so far. Collect them all ?!? naw that is just crazy talk. Or maybe not.

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https://twitter.com/AMDRyzen/status/1168901636162539536


SMU FW 46.44.00 will improve the boost of processors of the Zen 2 generation - 1usmus
https://twitter.com/1usmus/status/1168911500586749959

ETA 9/10/19

"In particular, the update affects CPPC and C0. It all depends on the situation. I see different results. The essence of this update is to close all issues related to the passport boost. But that’s not all, there are surprises that the community will receive by Christmas"
https://twitter.com/1usmus/status/1168917697867997184


AMD Ryzen Master 2.0.2.1271 (released 9/02/19)
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master

HWiNFO64 v6.10 (Added monitoring of AMD X570 chipset temperature)
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AK5x86-P75 [email protected] 160 MHz
Pentium 90 @ 120 Mhz
IBM 6x86L P166+ [email protected] 160 MHz
Celeron 300a @ 454 MHz
Pentium 3 700 @ 933 MHz
Athlon XP 1400+ @ 1600 MHz
Athlon XP 1800+ @ 2088 MHz
Athlon XP 2500+ @ 2200 MHz
Athlon 64 3000+ @ 2603 MHz
Athlon X2 BE2300 @ 1900 MHz
Athlon X2 4200+ @ 2210 MHz
Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2600 MHz
Core 2 Duo E4300 @ 3000 MHz
Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 3600 MHz
Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 4000 MHz
Xeon C2Q L5408 @ 3200 MHz
Xeon C2Q X5450 @ 3300 MHz
Xeon C2Q E5440 @ 3400 MHz
Xeon C2Q E5450 @ 3600 MHz
Phenom2 X4 B50 @ 3700 MHz
Phenom2 X6 1045T @ 4050 MHz
Core i5-2500K Sandy @ 4500 MHz
X5650 6-Core Westmere @ 3982 MHz
AMD FX 8320E Black Edition

FX-8320E @4.5GHz, X5650 @ 4.0GHz, X6 1045T @4.0GHz, i7 [email protected]
Thinkpad T420p with i7-2720QM overclocked because this is OCN

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Your Ryzen 9 3900X looks like a lot of fun as well. Matisse lineup at each price point has a lot of performance per dollar so far. Collect them all ?!? naw that is just crazy talk. Or maybe not.
No, that's not crazy talk but I think I'll limit myself to just one more, the 3950X, or I'll be too broke to even consider a Threadripper part...

I concur - these parts are a super-value for the money spent. Not only performance/dollar ratio but the amount of tinkering that can be done. Still so much to look at. Perhaps it's time to venture into all core OC...

Aorus Master x570, 3950X, 32GB GSkill c16 @3800, Sabrent PCIe4 1TB, Sabrent 1TB, 860evo 1TB, 2080Super, HX1200i, Celsius S36, Define S2, pg348q
Aorus Master x570, 3900X, 32GB GSkill c16 @3800, Sabrent PCIe4 1TB, Sabrent 1TB, 860evo 1TB, 5700XT, HX1000i, H150i Pro, Phanteks p600s, lg32gk650f-b
MEG x570 Unify, 3800X, 32GB GSkill c16 @3800, Sabrent PCIe4 1TB, 860Evo 1TB, 1080Ti, RM850x, Celsius S36, Define R6, pg279q
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@3:30 start with heating up the CPU (no cooler for IR testing).

16c delta between motherboard CPU temp sensor and IHS. IOD unknown throttle point. Ryzen 9 3950X will be hotter. Air Coolers will have more problems.

best CPU block orientation is inlet on the CCX side of CPU. Could be 4°C higher temps. Plus another 1°C - 2°C with diffuser resulting in up to 6°C difference.

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[Igor'sLAB] Thermal Imaging of Ryzen 5 3600X heating up (Video at 30FPS)


Ryzen 3000 CPU water blocks and DHT air coolers due to its asymmetrical design
https://www.igorslab.media/en/does-t...trical-design/




@Delta9k I might have three AM4 motherboards and only one Ryzen CPU right now (sold my R7 1700 and R5 3600). A little crazy-town-banana-pants or Ryzen 9 3950X, 3950 and 3900 ready. Too early to tell.

3900X at twice the cost of 3600X for twice the cores and 3600 are really easy for me to recommend. They launch day reviewer mess-ups kept me from buying the 3900X on 7/07/19. Been waiting.

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Intel 386DX/16 @ 20 MHz
CX486SLC/50 @ 50 MHz
AM486DX2/80 @ 100 MHz
AM486 DX4-100 @ 120 MHz
AK5x86-P75 [email protected] 160 MHz
Pentium 90 @ 120 Mhz
IBM 6x86L P166+ [email protected] 160 MHz
Celeron 300a @ 454 MHz
Pentium 3 700 @ 933 MHz
Athlon XP 1400+ @ 1600 MHz
Athlon XP 1800+ @ 2088 MHz
Athlon XP 2500+ @ 2200 MHz
Athlon 64 3000+ @ 2603 MHz
Athlon X2 BE2300 @ 1900 MHz
Athlon X2 4200+ @ 2210 MHz
Athlon X2 5000+ @ 2600 MHz
Core 2 Duo E4300 @ 3000 MHz
Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 3600 MHz
Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 4000 MHz
Xeon C2Q L5408 @ 3200 MHz
Xeon C2Q X5450 @ 3300 MHz
Xeon C2Q E5440 @ 3400 MHz
Xeon C2Q E5450 @ 3600 MHz
Phenom2 X4 B50 @ 3700 MHz
Phenom2 X6 1045T @ 4050 MHz
Core i5-2500K Sandy @ 4500 MHz
X5650 6-Core Westmere @ 3982 MHz
AMD FX 8320E Black Edition

FX-8320E @4.5GHz, X5650 @ 4.0GHz, X6 1045T @4.0GHz, i7 [email protected]
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Any one else having the issue of SoC settings not really working?
Auto = 1.1
Manual 1.1 = 1.05
Any other manual setting = 1.1

that said I seem to get the best overall performance at 1.05
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