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(Gigabyte X570 AORUS Master Overclocking Thread)

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Boards features:

* Direct 14-phase [12+2] Infineon Digital VRM (XDPE123G5C) with 50A IR3556 Powerstages
* Fins-Array Heatsink and Direct Touch Heatpipe, Thermally conductive Baseplate
* 6-Layer 2X Copper PCIe 4.0 Mid-Loss Ready PCB
* B-Clock IC, LED POST code, Status LEDs, Easy Voltage Measuring Points
* Socketed Dual-BIOS (selectable) + Q-Flash
* ALC1220-VB & ESS SABRE 9118 DAC with WIMA film Capacitors
* Triple PCIe 4.0 M.2 + 6x SATA-III (last two SATA ports shared with 3rd M.2 off the chipset)

Board layout



DIMM



Status LEDs



POST Codes
Code Description
10 PEI Core is started.
11 Pre-memory CPU initialization is started.
12~14 Reserved.
15 Pre-memory North-Bridge initialization is started.
16~18 Reserved.
19 Pre-memory South-Bridge initialization is started.
1A~2A Reserved.
2B~2F Memory initialization.
31 Memory installed.
32~36 CPU PEI initialization.
37~3A IOH PEI initialization.
3B~3E PCH PEI initialization.
3F~4F Reserved.
60 DXE Core is started.
61 NVRAM initialization.
62 Installation of the PCH runtime services.
63~67 CPU DXE initialization is started.
68 PCI host bridge initialization is started.
69 IOH DXE initialization.
6A IOH SMM initialization.
6B~6F Reserved.
70 PCH DXE initialization.
71 PCH SMM initialization.
72 PCH devices initialization.
73~77 PCH DXE initialization (PCH module specific).
78 ACPI Core initialization.
79 CSM initialization is started.
7A~7F Reserved for AMI use.
80~8F Reserved for OEM use (OEM DXE initialization codes).
90 Phase transfer to BDS (Boot Device Selection) from DXE.
91 Issue event to connect drivers.
92 PCI Bus initialization is started.
93 PCI Bus hot plug initialization.
94 PCI Bus enumeration for detecting how many resources are requested.
95 Check PCI device requested resources.
96 Assign PCI device resources.
97 Console Output devices connect (ex. Monitor is lighted).
98 Console input devices connect (ex. PS2/USB keyboard/mouse are activated).
99 Super IO initialization.
9A USB initialization is started.
9B Issue reset during USB initialization process.
9C Detect and install all currently connected USB devices.
9D Activated all currently connected USB devices.
9E~9F Reserved.
A0 IDE initialization is started.
A1 Issue reset during IDE initialization process.
A2 Detect and install all currently connected IDE devices.
A3 Activated all currently connected IDE devices.
A4 SCSI initialization is started.
A5 Issue reset during SCSI initialization process.
A6 Detect and install all currently connected SCSI devices.
A7 Activated all currently connected SCSI devices.
A8 Verify password if needed.
A9 BIOS Setup is started.
AA Reserved.
AB Wait user command in BIOS Setup.
AC Reserved.
AD Issue Ready To Boot event for OS Boot.
AE Boot to Legacy OS.
AF Exit Boot Services.
B0 Runtime AP installation begins.
B1 Runtime AP installation ends.
B2 Legacy Option ROM initialization.
B3 System reset if needed.
B4 USB device hot plug-in.
B5 PCI device hot plug.
B6 Clean-up of NVRAM.
B7 Reconfigure NVRAM settings.
B8~BF Reserved.
C0~CF Reserved.
Code Description
E0 S3 Resume is started (called from DXE IPL).
E1 Fill boot script data for S3 resume.
E2 Initializes VGA for S3 resume.
E3 OS S3 wake vector call.

S3 Resume
Code Description
F0 Recovery mode will be triggered due to invalid firmware volume detection.
F1 Recovery mode will be triggered by user decision.
F2 Recovery is started.
F3 Recovery firmware image is found.
F4 Recovery firmware image is loaded.
F5~F7 Reserved for future AMI progress codes.

Recovery
Code Description
50~55 Memory initialization error occurs.
56 Invalid CPU type or speed.
57 CPU mismatch.
58 CPU self test failed or possible CPU cache error.
59 CPU micro-code is not found or micro-code update is failed.
5A Internal CPU error.
5B Reset PPI is failed.
5C~5F Reserved.
D0 CPU initialization error.
D1 IOH initialization error.
D2 PCH initialization error.
D3 Some of the Architectural Protocols are not available.
D4 PCI resource allocation error. Out of Resources.
D5 No Space for Legacy Option ROM initialization.
D6 No Console Output Devices are found.
D7 No Console Input Devices are found.
D8 It is an invalid password.
D9~DA Can't load Boot Option.
DB Flash update is failed.
DC Reset protocol is failed.
DE~DF Reserved.
E8 S3 resume is failed.
E9 S3 Resume PPI is not found.
EA S3 Resume Boot Script is invalid.
EB S3 OS Wake call is failed.
EC~EF Reserved.
F8 Recovery PPI is invalid.
F9 Recovery capsule is not found.
FA Invalid recovery capsule.
FB~FF Reserved.


M.2 and SATA-III


Voltage Measurement Points



BIOS Switches


Dual BIOs with replaceable BIOS chip explanation
It is advisable to use Single BIOS mode such that the second chip is untouched. Flash only via USB in the BIOS itself via Q-Flash. Don't flash in Windows or other OS.
Try to load Optimized Defaults so that all settings are stock before flashing the BIOS.

When you have a corrupt main BIOS you can then flash over the main BIOS by switching the BIOS to the 2nd BIOS.

1. Set board to single BIOS mode if not already.
2. Boot off the backup BIOS
3. Once in the BIOS flip the switch to the BIOS you want to flash,
4. Use Q-Flash to flash the BIOS. After reboot it may power cycle up to 5 times for memory training reasons.
Q-Flash can update the BIOS without a OS like DOS or Windows - embedded in BIOS [END key on POST screen or F8 inside the menu in BIOS].
Q-Flash Plus is more of a recovery tool or if you don't have a unsupported processor and need to update the BIOS (takes 2-3 minutes).

Has to be done in Dual-BIOS mode if the board has it. Flashes MAIN BIOS then upon success it flashed the BACKUP BIOS .

white USB port on rear I/O with a USB flash drive (formatted in FAT32/16 file system). renamed the BIOS file to "GIGABYTE.bin"

if the main BIOS is corrupted or damaged, the backup BIOS will take over on the next system boot to ensure normal system operation


Manual
http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_x570-aorus-master_1002_190708_e.pdf

Memory QVL
https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10/support#support-doc

AMD chipset driver
https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/x570

AMD Ryzen Master
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master

Ryzen Master Reference Guide [PDF]
https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/ryzen-master-quick-reference-guide.pdf
 
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[Memory Overclocking]

Don't use XMP in BIOS when doing this the first time. Under Save & Exit use Load Optimized Defaults then Save & Exit

Thaiphoon Burner http://www.softnology.biz/files.html
* click Read button
* click Report button
* scroll all the way to the bottom of page
* click 'Show delays in nanoseconds'
* under File menu -> Export, Complete HTML Report, Save
*


example: G.Skill F4-3600C19-8GSXKB (Hynix CJR SR)

RAM Calculator for Ryzen v1.6.1 by 1usmus
https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-...locking-dram-am4-membench-0-8-dram-bench.html
right click (run as Admin)
more into (Run anyways)

* Select Processor (Zen 2 = Ryzne 2 gen)
* Select Memory Type [IC]
* Select Rank [SR/DR]
* Select Frequency
* Select # DIMM
* Select Chipset

click R-XMP (Purple button) or use Import XMP (seems better for B-Die or Rev.E)

Ryzen DRAM Calculator


Screenshot (bottom left) then Print Main & Advanced page

Ryzen DRAM Calculator - Advanced


Addional Calculators tab - input Freq and tRFC in ns to get tRFC1, tRFC2 and tRFC4 values (if you having trouble make sure not to be using XMP in BIOS)

* setting up Favorites tab
use <Insert key> to add the following under: settings -> AMD Overclocking

  • DDR and Infinity Fabric
  • VDDP Voltage
  • VDDG Voltage
  • Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO)

Tweaker -> System Memory Multiplier [auto = 21.33 = DDR4 2133]
set "36.00" for DDR4 3600 etc *if using XMP check VCORE SoC as the profile can set it way too high (warned not to use XMP in BIOS)

Tweaker -> Advanced Memory Settings -> Memory Subtimings

enter all the data from Ryzen DRAM Calculator blue numbers should correspond to BIOS order 1-42 with 33-35 are on second page (under CAD BUS Timings)

Tweaker -> set voltages
  • CPU Vcore up to 1.32v is safe [set to NORMAL to use offsets mode]
  • VCORE SOC = SOC Voltage from DRAM Calculator for Ryzen page 1
  • CPU VDD18 =1.80v (helped on Zen and Zen+)
  • CPU VDDP = set to Normal (check under PC Health for correct value at end)
  • PM_1V8 = PLL Voltage from DRAM Calculator for Ryzen page 2
  • PM_1VSOC = chipset core (1.0v default but can be adj up to 1.05v could help stabilize)
  • DRAM Voltage (CH A/B) = DRAM Voltage from DRAM Calculator for Ryzen page 1
  • DDRVDDP Voltage (CH A/B) = VPP Voltage from DRAM Calculator for Ryzen page 2
  • DRAM Termination = DDRVtt = Vref = DRAM voltage/2

F11 section - using Favorites that we added after the Ryzen DRAM Calculator section

Favorites -> set VDDP voltage [in mV]
Favorites -> set VDDG voltage [in mV]



Alternative method is under settings -> AMD Overclocking



Manually have to set both FCLK and MCLK if over 1800 MHz else default AUTO setting should be in synchronous mode [1:1]
- FCLK and MCLK should be the same else a rather large latency penalty applies

Set DDR and Infinity Fabric Frequency/Timings

Favorites ->DRAM Timing Configuration
- set memory clock speed (MCLK)

Favorites ->Infinity Fabric Frequency and Divider
- set Infinity Fabric Frequency (FCLK)

check PC Health before saving BIOS

Handy Tips and Tricks by 1usmus
  • Do not use voltages that are too high for SOC and DRAM. The calculator will tell you which range of values you should try for a stable result.
  • Jitter occurs when riding or falling edges occur at times that differ from the ideal time. Some edges occur early, some occur late. In a digital circuit, all signals are transmitted in reference to clock signals. The deviation of the digital signal as a result of reflections, intersymbol interference, crosstalk, PVT (process-voltage-temperature) variations, and other factors amounts to jitter. Some jitter is simply random.
  • Always use extra cooling for RAM. Lower voltages also mean less heat. By reducing the heat, you reduce the thermal radiation and decay, which makes your system more stable.
  • A change to procODT or RTT is required when the system does not POST, has a huge number of errors, or a BSOD occurs.
  • Single and rare errors can be fixed by manually changing the following timings: (1) tFAW (tRRDS *4 <= best value <= tRRDS *6), (2) increasing tRRDS by 1 or 2, or (3) changing tRTP (from 1/2 * tWR to 12).
  • Single and rare errors can be fixed by changing tRDWR (from 6 to 9) and tWRRD (from 1 to 4). Note that timings must be configured in pairs. Example: tRDWR 6 and tWRRD 2, tRDWR 6 and tWRRD 3, tRDWR 6 and tWRRD 4, tRDWR 7 and tWRRD 1, and so on.
  • Single and rare errors can be fixed by changing tRFC. The calculator suggests several options for tRFC. Also, do not forget that tRC is a multiple of tRFC. For example, tRC = 44 -> tRFC 6 (or 8) * 44; tRFC 2/4 does not need to be configured for Ryzen.
  • Enabling Geardown can improve system stability.
  • VDDP can improve the stability of the system. The recommended range is 855 mV to 950 mV. Try increasing it in steps of 10-15 mV.
  • Disabling spread-spectrum can improve the stability of the system.
  • The source of errors can also be Windows, which is not necessarily a problem with overclocking.
  • Increasing tRCDRD and tRP by 1 can improve stability and reduce memory voltage requirements.
  • RTT_NOM disabled will sometimes have better stability.
  • Increased resistance for RTT_PARK or procODT can improve stability.
  • Do not forget to follow the rule tRC = tRAS + tRP.
  • CLDO_VDDP. Best values: default (850 mV), 950 mV, 945 mV, 940 mV, 915 mV, 905 mV, 895 mV, 865 mV, and 840 mV.
  • Even values for tWRWR SCL and tRDRD SCL can improve system stability. For example 4-4 or 6-6.
  • Excessive overclocking of the processor can negatively affect the stability of the RAM.
  • CAD_BUS 24 30 24 24 can be useful for configurations with two modules, and 24-20-24-24 for configurations that consist of four modules.
  • Look out for motherboard BIOS updates that include updates to AGESA as newer versions improve memory-tuning capabilities.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-memory-tweaking-overclocking-guide/8.html
 
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[CPU overclocking section]

Board Limit



--- PPT : Package Power Tracking (Total Socket Power limit)
--- EDC : Electrical Design Current - Peak , "Indicates the maximum current the voltage rail can demand for a short, thermally insignificant time" - αC
--- TDC : Thermal Design Current - Sustained, Thermally limited VRM current


Group A (95W TDP): 128W PPT, 80A TDC, 125A EDC
Group B (65W TDP): 88W PPT, 60A TDC, 90A EDC
Group G (105W TDP): 142W PPT, 95A TDC, 140A EDC
Group H (45W TDP): 61W PPT, 45A TDC, 65A EDC






Thermal Design Current (TDC) is presented for the CPU and SOC power domains, respectively, expressed as a % of motherboard capacity. This can best be understood as sustained amperage vs. motherboard capacity for a thermally significant workload.

Electrical Design Current (EDC) is presented for the CPU and SOC power domains, expressed as a % of motherboard capacity. This can best be understood as the peak amperage for a short period of time.


Strictly technical: Matisse (Not really) by The Stilt
https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1728758-strictly-technical-matisse-not-really.html


The overclocking capabilities

Essentially, if we're talking about the higher-end SKUs, there is basically none.
Based on my experience, the best case of scenario on 6C CCDs (3600, 3600X and 3900X) is around 4.25GHz, at relatively safe voltage levels.
In case of 3900X, given that you can cool the chip with two of those 6C CCDs. SKUs with 8C CCDs (3700X, 3800X and 3950X) the best case is around 4.15GHz. The 3950X is expected to be thermally limited, as a whole.
The biggest limit is the intensity (heat per area), secondly the voltage you can safely feed to the silicon. For example, the 9900K which has a reputation of being an inferno, has theoretical intensity of ~1.15W/mm² when operating at 5.0GHz (200W @ 174mm²).
Meanwhile Matisse can easily reach intensity of > 1.5W/mm² (120W+ @ 74mm²). The second issue is, that beyond ~3.8GHz the V/F curve becomes extremely steep. According to FIT, the safe voltage levels for the silicon are around 1.325V in high-current loads
and up to 1.47V in low-current loads (i.e ST), depending on the silicon characteristics. Because the stock boost operation is already limited by the silicon voltage reliability, the only way to eke out every last bit of all-core performance is using OC-Mode. Like on previous Ryzen generations, entering OC-Mode also means that you will loose the turbo boost (all cores operate at same frequency). On the higher-end SKUs, the single threaded performance penalty will be massive from doing so. For example on 3900X, you'd be trading additional ~100MHz all-core frequency to a loss of up to 450MHz in ST frequency by doing so. Personally, I advice against overclocking the higher-end SKUs at all, and instead increasing the power limits and trying your luck with the "Auto OC" feature (which most likely isn't beneficial).

The V/F testing was done using full resource utilization (FRU), meaning the stability was tested using 256-bit workloads.
Unlike Intel designs, Matisse does not feature an offset for 256-bit workloads. This means that to ensure the stability of the CPU cores in every scenario, they must be tested using this kind of a workload.
On Matisse, the delta in power consumption between the scalar and 256-bit vector instructions is massive, as expected (37%). That being said, there seems to be other design related factors limiting the maximum achievable frequency.
Despite significantly lower power consumption and therefore also lower temperatures, stability even in pure scalar workloads could not be achieved at much higher frequencies, compare to FRU scenario.




Performance per Watt

As expected, Matisse provides significantly higher performance per watt than its competition, thanks to its leading edge 7nm manufacturing process. Some of you might notice that Matisse's power efficiency seems to peak at 3.5GHz, despite the fact that semiconductors do not behave like that. The reason behind this was revealed by Vmin testing, which clearly illustrated that Matisse lacks fused V/F (voltage-frequency) curve below 3.4GHz. This means that below 3.4GHz frequencies the voltage is always at the same level, it is at 3.4GHz. The stock (fused) V/F curve appears to be extremely well optimized as well, leaving only the temperature factor on the table.





Matisse Boosting Algorithmt


Setting the thermal limits below stock (95°C) make no difference, since the boost algorithm already uses lower limits.

The original limits for Ryzen 3000 SKUs were:

- 3600 = 4100MHz (80-95°C) / 4200MHz (< 80°C)
- 3600X = 4200MHz (80-95°C) / 4400MHz (< 80°C)
- 3700X = 4200MHz (80-95°C) / 4400MHz (< 80°C)
- 3800X = 4300MHz (80-95°C) / 4550MHz (< 80°C)
- 3900X = 4400MHz (80-95°C) / 4650MHz (< 80°C)

Since then, it appears that the HighTemperature limit has been reduced further to 75°C (from 80°C).
New SMUs also have introduced "MiddleTemperature" limit, but that gets disabled when PBO is enabled.

HWInfo is also able to display these limits (fused values).
https://www.overclock.net/forum/28085580-post549.html

Thermal Paste

Rpaste = (thickness / surface) * (1 / thermal conductivity)
Rpaste = (0.00004 m / 0.00140625 m²) * (1 / 12.5 W/m*K) = 0.002275 K/W

https://www.igorslab.media/en/the-m...able-mass-product-we-recalculate-mercilessly/

Watercooling - https://www.igorslab.media/waermeleitpasten-chart/2/
Aircooling - https://www.igorslab.media/waermeleitpasten-chart/3/
Viscosity - https://www.igorslab.media/waermeleitpasten-chart/6/


Gigabyte X570 Overclocker Guide
https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Global/multimedia/2/file/548/988.pdf
 
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[Memory OC Results - 1xCCD]


AIDA64 Memory || Read || Write || Copy || Latency
3400 @14-18-19-28 || 50,403 || 27,195 || 47,015 || 70.5ns
3533 @14-18-19-28 || 50,999 || 28,260 || 49,207 || 68.4 ns
3600 @20-20-20-40 || 50,548 || 28,790 || 48,456 || 71.7 ns
3600 @16-19-20-36 || 50,980 || 28,791 || 49,476 || 68.3 ns
3733 mismatch || 49,125 || 28,792 || 49,742 || 80.6 ns
3733 @16-21-21-36 || 52,519 || 29,858 || 51,666 || 67.4 ns
3733 @16-20-20-36 || 52,931 || 29,861 || 51,356 || 66.8 ns
3800 @16-21-21-36 || 53,917 || 29,864 || 51,699 || 65.8 ns
3800 @16-20-20-36 || 54,694 || 30,396 || 52,426 || 65.0 ns



G.Skill F4-3600C19-8GSXKB (CJR) DDR4 3800 16-20-20-36 AIDA64 Results
AIDA64 Read



AIDA64 Write



AIDA64 Copy



AIDA64 Latency



G.Skill F4-3600C19-8GSXKB (CJR) DDR4 3400 14-18-19-42 AIDA64 Results
AIDA64 Read



AIDA64 Write



AIDA64 Copy



AIDA64 Latency



Please send The Stilt and 1usmus a thank you for all their hard work.



Hardwareluxx - Ryzen 3000 meets Samsung, Micron and Hynix
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...zen-3000-trifft-samsung-micron-und-hynix.html

Computer Base - Ryzen 3000 Memory Test
https://www.computerbase.de/2019-08...adow-of-the-tomb-raider-720p-higher-is-better

Lab501 Ryzen 3000 DDR4 Scaling - Part I
https://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/amd-ryzen-3000-part-iv-ddr4-scaling-english-version

Lab501 Ryzen 3000 DDR4 Scaling - Part II - Samsung B-Die vs Micron E-Die vs Hynix CJR [including 2x 8GB and 4x 8GB and 2 x 16GB]
https://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipse...-vs-micron-e-die-vs-hynix-cjr-english-version

Lab501 Micron E-die on X570 - DDR4 4800 21-25-21-44 2T 1:2 & DDR4 3800 16-20-16-32 1T 1:1
https://lab501.ro/memorii-stocare/r...-cl15-2-x-8gb-micron-e-die-pe-platforma-amd/4

Lab501 Hynix CJR on X570 - DDR4 4400 19-23-23-42 1:2 - DDR4 3800 16-21-20-36 1T 1:1
https://lab501.ro/memorii-stocare/r...-3200-cl16-2x8gb-hynix-cjr-pe-platforma-amd/5

Puget Systems - Does RAM speed affect video editing performance?
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Does-RAM-speed-affect-video-editing-performance-1528/

TechSpot - 3rd Gen Ryzen - Memory Scaling
https://www.techspot.com/review/1891-ryzen-memory-performance-scaling/

TechSpot - Zen 2 Memory Performance Scaling with Ryzen 9 3900X
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/2.html

Phoronix - Ryzen 9 3900X Linux Memory Scaling Performance
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-3900x-ram&num=1

Crosair Ryzen 3000 Memory Overclocking Guide on X570 Master
https://www.corsair.com/corsairmedia...ckingGuide.pdf

Overclocking system memory isn’t an exact science, and there may be times where some values may need to be adjusted, but with the information provided here, you should be able to get your system memory performing at its best in no time. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
Memory Controller Limitations: While AMD’s Ryzen 3000 platform is beastly and supports extremely high memory speeds, the memory controller does still have limitations, and those limitations become noticeable when populating all four DIMM slots with either single or dual rank memory.

• A memory’s “rank” is determined by how many sets of memory chips are present that are read/written from/to; ultimately, the higher the rank, the longer the read/write process takes
o Single-rank only has one set of memory chips.
o Dual-rank has two sets of memory chips, but only one may be accessed at a time.

•Table of potentially achievable speeds for various RAM configurations:
Configuration || Max Safe Speed || OC Speed (Up to)
2 x 1 Rank || 3600MHz || 4400MHz
2 x 2 Rank || 3600MHz || 4000MHz
4 x 1 Rank || 3600MHz || 4000MHz
4 x 2 Rank || 2933MHz || 3600MHz


Disclaimer: The figures listed here represent observed speeds in our own testing; variations in system specifications or environment may reduce overall performance
 
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TROUBLESHOOTING
odd behavior try Reseating the CPU and MEMORY

Using slot A2/B2 (from CPU)


FAQ
Q: What is "High frequency support" under XMP?
A: This is a quick way to adjust Infinity Fabric speed manually.
  • Level 1 = 1600 IF
  • Level 2 = 1700 IF
  • Level 3 = 1800 IF
  • To go above 1800 IF set the speed manually, do not use these presets.

Q: XMP doesn't work!
A: Make sure you are:
  • Using slot A2/B2 - From CPU skip a slot, RAM, skip a slot, RAM. I cannot emphasize this enough. If you are helping someone T/S a problem this should be your first question.
  • You are using the latest BIOS.
  • For debugging RAM please keep everything else default.
  • If the above don't help post your RAM kit and any steps you have tried to fix the problem.

Q: My RAM voltage goes to 1.2V when setting a CPU multiplier.
A: Your OC is unstable. Try raising Vcore.

Reported Issues Status

Issue | | Status
Fans go to 100% after sleep || Should be fixed in next BIOS
WHEA errors || Should be fixed in next BIOS
BIOS Resets after PSU is unplugged or switched off || Fixed in latest BETA BIOS 8/2
Disabling CSM causes BIOS to become slow||Reproducible / Working on a fix
SOC too low after sleep||Fixed 7/31
High idle voltage with memory over 3600 ||Fixed 7/31

I dont see my BIOS on the webpage!!!

We have tons of servers worldwide. If you don't see a file, or get access denied, it means the file hasn't propagated there yet. You need to go to the global page...

Here is an example of the US page: || gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10/
Here is an example of the global page: ||gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10/

Notice the only difference is the "/US". Simply remove that. For EU remove "/EU", etc... If you get the access denied message try the ASIA server. Its the same file, just a different mirror!

How to use Q-Flash Plus without a CPU:

Known quirks, not necessarily board specific


Help my NVMe won’t show up

Settings > Miscellaneous > PCIe slot config then pick PCIe Gen3. This can also help if you have a riser card or extension cable (not recommended).

In general I recommend this if you have a Samsung NVMe. I’ve got some 960 Pros and 970 Evos/Pros I’ve been rotating through various motherboards and… yeah… Samsung is a bit weird. Set it for PCIE3 as it seems to struggle with auto detection in some scenarios.
Level 1 Tech - Aorus Master x570 Perfect UEFI Settings
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/aorus-master-x570-perfect-uefi-settings/145081

NVMe Gen 4.0 RAID 0 [MD on Linux, StoreMI on Win]




Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9...us-master-amd-motherboard-review/index10.html
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/gigabyte_x570_aorus_master_review/23
https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/motherboards/gigabyte-x570-aorus-master-review/9/
https://level1techs.com/video/gigabyte-x570-aorus-master-review


- upcoming fanless chipset mod

[place holder]


unboxed
 
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OK I am slooooww.

I don't get this
Tweaker -> System Memory Multiplier [auto = 21.33 = DDR4 2133]
set 36.00 for DDR4 3600 or make System Memory Multiplier the same as CPU Clock Ratio

So are you saying that if my 3800x is stock at x39 I'd set my mem multipler to 39 as well ? - I've just been setting to what ever I want my mem to be? for example 38 for 3800.
I am not questioning you I just need to understand what I am not.

And thanks for what you did here - NICE!
 
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Ryzen Master Memory Overclocking - updated August 2019


Enter Primary Memory Timing provided by the DIMM maker. Leave the rest on AUTO in BIOS. Could be useful if XMP profile doesn't work correctly.

Ryzen Master Core Speed indicators


Ryzen Master System Restart


FOR EXTREME AND EXPERT USE ONLY
Disabling PROHOT causes the processor to ignore the temperature of the board’s voltage regulators and assumes the user is monitoring and cooling the regulators separately, typically for extreme overclocking record-setting only.

Precision Boost Overdrive [PBO] allows the processor to automatically use the power design margin reported by the motherboard above warrantied CPU limits, potentially increasing maximum and average core speed.
•This feature works best with a premium overclocking motherboard, a premium cooler, and a cool ambient environment.
•With the AMD 3000-Series CPUs, the user can return to Default without a system restart.

Auto Overclocking [AOC] allows the processor to automatically manage to a boost frequency higher than the stock value while remaining under automatic control.
•This feature works best with a premium overclocking motherboard, a premium cooler, and a cool ambient environment.
•This feature requires a system restart initiated by Ryzen Master on Apply.


MANUAL OVERCLOCKING with 3000-SERIES CPU
•Manual overclocking allows the user to experiment with higher clock speeds outside of the processor’s automatic management.
•Frequency can be set at the core, CCX, CCD or all-cores level.
•New: With the AMD 3000-Series CPUs, the user can return to the PBO or Default modes under automation control without a system restart.


Without using XMP the memory multiplier would default to 21.33 [DDR4-2133]. Just have to set it. MCLK (Memory frequency clock should override it).

Auto setting in my overclocking passed have caused issues. Sometimes very hard to pinpoint when troubleshooting and other times massive overvolting. So I avoid them if I can.






I might have re-created the issue that some people are having after reading your question. I lowered my Memory speed to 3400C14 and tried a higher CPU Clock Ratio [42.00 Multiplier] with PBO. It didn't change PBO behavior for me. Not a great clocking chip. Silicon Lottery.

I tried Ryzen Master overclocking next. Resulting in a Windows hardlock. And failure to POST afterwards. F5i in single BIOS mode. To this point I only experienced fail posting due to too low voltages for DRAM, VDDP or SoC

And the after 4 failed boot attempts the board would POST with a Clear Cmos Information - BIOS been reset message.

Only way to get the system running again was physically switching to the backup BIOS. Only way to get a successful POST is with default settings. Entering the BIOS and loading XMP profile or any previously saved Profile resulted in having to Cold Boot and wait for the 4 failed boot cycles to Clear Cmos.




SoC and/or DRAM might not sticking in BIOS




Workaround for me is booting into Windows on stock settings (do not enter BIOS after Clear Cmos) then change everything everything using Ryzen Master.





Update: looks like Ryzen Master changed VDDP & VDDG under XFR Enhancement. Which overwrote the values I set in AMD Overclocking under VDDP/VDDG Voltage Control




Fixed
 
#10 ·
Just a hint to users of Ryzen Master.

That software OVERWRITES settings inside the CPU/AGESA section of BIOS. So settings set in Ryzen Master can at times not be reset with clear-cmos so be careful! I've seen other users needed to basically Q-flash their BIOS and have Ryzen Master completely nuked to get control back to BIOS.
Ryzen Master would otherwise keep "taking over" control and set values.
 
#12 ·
Suspected as much. Figured swapping the CPU with a different model ID string could clear the flag. Non-volatile register inside the Processor also came to mind.
 
#11 · (Edited)
Removed the setting CPU Multiplier part. I did have a BIOS corruption when I started messing with it and Ryzen Master last night. But it was fine on Auto, 36.00 and 42.00 only till I started messing with Ryzen Master did I have a issue.

Nice collection of Samsung B-die DIMMs and SSDs. 3800X with 32GB @3800 nice as well. I originally was thinking 3700X with my X370 but with 3733 (3700 would have been nicer but only in a single aspect).


Edit: miss my Samsung NMVe drive as it had no issue with PCIe @103 MHz for years. Might have to use to in this build.
 
#13 ·
Mem OC Results

3800x | x570 Master | DDR4 3800 cl16 w/IF 1900
 

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[Tech Spot] 3rd-Gen Ryzen - Memory Scaling
https://www.techspot.com/review/1891-ryzen-memory-performance-scaling/

Assassin’s Creed Odyssey @1080p Medium


Far Cry New Dawn @1080p Normal


R6 Siege @1080p High


World War Z @1080p Medium


Hardware Unboxed video:


Sub-timing tuning helps a lot on Ryzen 3000 vs XMP profile.
DDR4 3000 tuned ties or beats DDR4 3600 CL16 using XMP profile.

Ultra graphic preset isn't as relevant as Medium when looking at performance bottleneck.
 
#18 ·
@Heuchler

Thanks for creating this thread.

I've had difficulty overclocking RAM thanks to how annoying it is to change certain settings in the UEFI. In particular, VDDP and VDDG voltages. Changing vSoC voltage under the Settings menu is also a headache. I can change any of them using Ryzen Master, but I can't tweak them directly in the UEFI under Settings -> AMD Overclocking.

I have other problems, but that is my main one.
 
#22 ·
@Heuchler

Thanks for creating this thread.

I've had difficulty overclocking RAM thanks to how annoying it is to change certain settings in the UEFI. In particular, VDDP and VDDG voltages. Changing vSoC voltage under the Settings menu is also a headache. I can change any of them using Ryzen Master, but I can't tweak them directly in the UEFI under Settings -> AMD Overclocking.

I have other problems, but that is my main one.
This is the first UEFI implementation that I find way more enjoyable than legacy BIOS. First thing in the Memory Overclocking section I show what settings I add to my Favorites menu [F11]

settings -> AMD Overclocking

DDR and Infinity Fabric
VDDP Voltage
VDDG Voltage
Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO)

using <Insert key> on the keyboard I add the above. Really makes navigating the BIOS so much faster even tho it already feels way responsive than than any other GUI BIOS I ever used. I think it is the fast BIOS that I ever used.

PBO shortcut doesn't work on the latest BIOS [F5l]. After updating BIOS all settings including favorites get reset (good thing as it helps avoid wrong values being input). You can save settings to Drive but can only load them with the same BIOS version.
For my CPU PBO overclocking didn't do very much but I only have the one to test. So, it might do well on somebody else's system. Also, had strange bug with PBO and Ryzen Master.

Without PBO my CPU does not spike to 1.45v at idle. But rather stays at the max voltage I set in BIOS [1.293v]. The constant spin up of my fans and temp spikes at idle are a little annoying to me. But I have a none-X Ryzen 3000 processor [3600X].
I plan on picking up either a Ryzen 9 3900X or 3950X later on. 4200 MHz is my CPUs XFR [3.6 to 4.2GHz]. With PBO I get +50MHz on three cores and +25MHz on two cores over my standard 4.2GHz. Not a great clocking CPU.

I'm still testing LLC settings. The Master's VRM is over-build so AUTO setting seems fine.
 

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#19 · (Edited)
Hi Guys. Just put my rig together on Thursday and finally had some time to play around. The benchmarks in the picture are from a 3900x on the X570 Master

My first attempt at overclocking *JUST* the RAM. Everything else is BIOS Defaults. I performed three different tests.

1) BIOS Stock Default (2133)
2) **XMP for my Memory 15-15-15-35 3600 (F4-3600C15D-16GTZ)
3) 1usmus "FAST V1" settings for 3600. (This would be labeled the "3600 C14 FAST" results) 2 Hours Memtest Stable from DRAM Calc Program

**Doesn't seem like XMP pulled the right timings, it seemed to have pulled 16-15-15-35 CR1 judging from the middle picture, no idea but I left it alone)

Picture attached. Sorry I'm not a picture editor, best I can do copying and pasting lol.

Edit: Is there a reason the "CPU Clock" goes down to 4300 MHz when overclocking RAM? Or is that just a reading glitch in Aida? It seems to be 4625 MHz when everything's stock.
 

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#23 ·
@Heuchler

Even if I add those settings to Favorites, they're still "stuck". I can't adjust the settings at all, no matter what I do. Ryzen Master can do it, no problem.

I can adjust Infinity Fabric and DDR speeds in any menu, no problem. Also, vSoC is stuck. I have to adjust that with Ryzen Master as well.
 
#24 ·
Basically Ryzen Master has hijacked control for you. I think I warned about that before.
 
#28 ·
I think Nighthog is 100% correct about Ryzen Master and how it hijacks the BIOS (overrides settings). Maybe using DDU in Windows Safe mode to remove Ryzen Master and installing a fresh copy Ryzen Master would work. Lucky for me, I had two profiles saved in Ryzen Master and after booting into Windows after the 5-failed boot cycle (Clear Cmos Information but without going into the BIOS to see error message). Then loading a Profile in Ryzen Master and applying fixed it for me. I did QFlash+ later on just to see how it works.

Seems like Ryzen Master has access to settings that aren't accessible to us in BIOS. Maybe not even to the motherboard makers. A per core adjustable setting in BIOS would be great.

For my CPU XFR and PO work great. Just PBO isn't worth it and that could be due to poorer silicon.


Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) V18.0.1.5
https://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1788


alternatively there is AMD's own utility but it removes AMD GPU drivers as well - AMD Cleanup Utility
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-601


or Manually searching Windows Registry using regedit.exe

CTRL+F to search "ryzen", and delete any keys that related to "ryzen master" or "ryzenmaster"
***careful not to delete "ryzen processor" ***

press F3 to search for next place.
 
#33 ·
I think Nighthog is 100% correct about Ryzen Master and how it hijacks the BIOS (overrides settings). Maybe using DDU in Windows Safe mode to remove Ryzen Master and installing a fresh copy Ryzen Master would work. Lucky for me, I had two profiles saved in Ryzen Master and after booting into Windows after the 5-failed boot cycle (Clear Cmos Information but without going into the BIOS to see error message). Then loading a Profile in Ryzen Master and applying fixed it for me. I did QFlash+ later on just to see how it works.

Seems like Ryzen Master has access to settings that aren't accessible to us in BIOS. Maybe not even to the motherboard makers. A per core adjustable setting in BIOS would be great.

For my CPU XFR and PO work great. Just PBO isn't worth it and that could be due to poorer silicon.


Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) V18.0.1.5
https://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1788


alternatively there is AMD's own utility but it removes AMD GPU drivers as well - AMD Cleanup Utility
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-601


or Manually searching Windows Registry using regedit.exe

CTRL+F to search "ryzen", and delete any keys that related to "ryzen master" or "ryzenmaster"
***careful not to delete "ryzen processor" ***

press F3 to search for next place.

Can confirm, had the same issue and took me two days to realize it (Next time better check here first i guess). I am stucked with VDDP voltage = 1000mV, VDDG voltage = 1025mV because of it... hope its not an issue running those values 24/7. :/
 
#30 ·
Hi,

First of all, sorry about my english, i will try to explain as best i can.

Recently i change my eight years old build for a Ryzen new one.

This is my new build:

Ryzen 3700x

Gigabyte x570 Aorus Master

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 32GB 2x16GB CL16

Thermaltake Floe Riing RGB 360 TT Premium Edition

Samsung 970 Evo NVME 1 TB

Thermaltake P3 Snow Edition

One friend and my update us hardware at same time with a very similar build, same processor and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro instead Aorus Master , Deepcool 240 mm AIO instead Thermaltake, and Coolermaster H500 instead Thermaltake P3. My friend is using an standard thermal grease and im using conductonaut.

First thing i see strange is that with same PBO configuration ( Autooverclocking + 200 Mhz + Motherboard limits ) is that Prime95 Small FFTs L1/L2/L3 max temps of my friend are about 72º and me around 90º, and, my friend have 4150 Mhz all cores and me about 4020 Mhz all cores.

Investigating i see that PPT, TDC and EDC of my friend and mine are not equal. This is calculating the percentages of Ryzen Master at full with Prime95:

Friend:

PPT - 108W

TDC - 61A

EDC - 105A

Mine:

PPT - 132W

TDC - 91A

EDC - 108A

Around 30W and 30A more me than my friend, but same CPU voltage.

If i configure bios with default settings ( without PBO ) i have around 60º at full Prime95 but 3,7 Ghz. My friend have same temp but around 4 Ghz, the difference is my motherboard sets my CPU with 1,14 Vcore and his motherboard sets his processor with 1,23 Vcore.

I try to configure PBO limits with my friend´s data Prime95 full max PPT,TDC and EDC, and the result is i have 3,8 Ghz with 1,16 Vcore ( my friend 1,37V and 4,15 Ghz ).

As well i try to force my motherboard withs my friend limits and my friend vcore, but my motherboard ignore my vcore.

Some screenshots:

https://i.redd.it/kc8m2vq4e7g31.png - Me with default PPT/TDC and EDC limits

https://i.redd.it/hjuq2h46e7g31.png - My friend with default PPT/TDC and EDC limits

https://i.redd.it/f6vvd2w7e7g31.jpg - Me with my friends limits

https://i.redd.it/ge57dte9e7g31.png - My friend without limits

https://i.redd.it/y4p4mdwbe7g31.png - Me without limits

Anyone knows thats the problem?

I need to say i try two differents 3700x with SAME result.

Im thinking about airflow problem or AIO problem, but i thinks its OK. Room temp are very similar. I try to put a fan over CPU waterblock but i get same temps. As well i try to simulate airflow with a big room fan put in front my pc and temps and behavior are equal.

AIO has been dismounted, checked and mount again and its ok.

Both motherbards have last BIOS update and chipset drivers.

Thanks for any idea and, please, if you dont understand something, ask me.

Regards.
 
#32 ·
Matisse binning from Silicon Lottery
https://siliconlottery.com/collections/matisse


AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.05GHz 1.237V 100%
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.10GHz 1.250V top 74%
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.15GHz 1.262V top 21%

AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.20GHz 1.275V 100%
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.25GHz 1.287V top 53%
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.30GHz 1.300V top 20%

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.00GHz 1.200V 100%
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.05GHz 1.212V top 87%
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.10GHz 1.225V top 68%
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.15GHz 1.237V top 35%
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.20GHz 1.250V top 6%


Silicone quality can be a big factor. Cooling differences could also magnify the differences in chip.
I'm not familiar with the Thermaltake 360 TT Premium Edition but I assume that it is a Asetek bunit ased upon the mounting system. If they use the same pump in all their products it could be an issue.

Water block contact with the Processor could be more important than quality of Thermal Paste. As Matisse has very small chiplets and off center of the CPU package

The differences in PPT, TDC and EDC is note worthy. If you and your friend could swap CPUs and see if clock and voltage behavior changes. But that might not be feasible.

From my limited testing, of one CPU, Precision Boost Overdrive [PBO] isn't worth the hassle. The up to 200 MHz doesn't seem like current Matisse processors can take advantage of.



Ryzen Master does some strange things with PBO. I would just disable PBO in BIOS. Revisit it later when new BIOS, Chipset or Ryzen Master become available.

Or it could be the case that all premium dies are going into EPYC ROME processors and we will see better silicon as manufacturing process matures.


With your MASTER board you can switch BIOS and see how your processors behaves with PBO off. I recommend putting your board into single BIOS mode via switch on motherboard. Better from a security point-of-view and also gives you more control as an overclocker.

You can select with BIOS you are using or update.

You can try rotating your waterblock 90° (either direction) to see if it helps. Also, gives you a chance to reapply the Thermal Paste.




One friend and my update us hardware at same time with a very similar build, same processor and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro instead Aorus Master , Deepcool 240 mm AIO instead Thermaltake, and Coolermaster H500 instead Thermaltake P3. My friend is using an standard thermal grease and im using conductonaut.

First thing i see strange is that with same PBO configuration ( Autooverclocking + 200 Mhz + Motherboard limits ) is that Prime95 Small FFTs L1/L2/L3 max temps of my friend are about 72º and me around 90º, and, my friend have 4150 Mhz all cores and me about 4020 Mhz all cores.

Investigating i see that PPT, TDC and EDC of my friend and mine are not equal. This is calculating the percentages of Ryzen Master at full with Prime95:

Friend:
PPT: 108W, TDC: 61A, EDC: 105A

Mine:
PPT: 132W, TDC: 91A, EDC: 108A

Around 30W and 30A more me than my friend, but same CPU voltage.

If i configure bios with default settings ( without PBO ) i have around 60º at full Prime95 but 3,7 Ghz. My friend have same temp but around 4 Ghz, the difference is my motherboard sets my CPU with 1,14 Vcore and his motherboard sets his processor with 1,23 Vcore.

I try to configure PBO limits with my friend´s data Prime95 full max PPT,TDC and EDC, and the result is i have 3,8 Ghz with 1,16 Vcore ( my friend 1,37V and 4,15 Ghz ).

As well i try to force my motherboard withs my friend limits and my friend vcore, but my motherboard ignore my vcore.
 

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#31 ·
Regarding UEFI updates

So, with probably new UEFI versions coming over the next few months, how is everybody transfering the old settings? Profiles won't work and would probably be even a bad idea.

So is everybody writing them down and reenter them manually? Isn't there a better way?
 
#35 ·
Hello guys,

i started yesterday with trying to overclock my GSkill Ripjaws V B-Die Ram but I got a little confused. I used DRAM calculator to get the settings for 3200MHz, I wrote everything down and started to set the settings under Tweaker->advanced memory settings->memory subtimings
I was missing some settings like power down mode, VDDP, VDDP and so on. I found out that there is another section in the Bios, which is called AMD overclocking. I can change the timings in there as well and I found the other option that were missing.

So where do I have to set all the timings now? In AMD overclocking or under advanced memory settings? In only in AMD overclocking, should I leave all values in advanced memory settings on auto?
 
#36 ·
Tweaker -> Advanced Memory Settings -> Memory Subtimings

or Settings -> AMD overclocker -> DDR and Infinity Fabric Freq/Timings

Spoilers contain pictures else it would just get too messy
https://www.overclock.net/forum/28071804-post2.html


XFR Enhancement has VDDP and VDDG voltages as well
 
#42 · (Edited)

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https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9...us-master-amd-motherboard-review/index10.html

GL850S USB 2.0 hub provides the four USB 2.0

USB 3.1 gen 2 and PCIE 4.0 things (i.e. cost drivers besides the power delivery + audio/LAN):

  • four Pericom PI3EQX USB 3.1 (10Gbps), three are on the top of the motherboard, and one is on the backside.
  • There is also a Realtek type-C controller, the RTS5441

  • IDT PCI-E 4.0 clock generator used to manage PCI-E 4.0 bus speed
  • four PI3EQX16 PCI-E 4.0 re-drivers
  • PI3DBS16 PCI-E 4.0 quick switches
 
#44 ·
[Computer Base] Ryzen 3000 Memory Test
https://www.computerbase.de/2019-08...adow-of-the-tomb-raider-720p-higher-is-better

Samsung B-Die vs. Micron E-Die, SR vs DR, 4x 8GB vs 2x 16GB


Page 1 Test methodology, System used and DDR4 kits tested
Page 2 is XMP with different Infinity Fabric clock speed (IF scaling)
Page 3 is RAM OC (memory fully optimized) ADIA64, 7-Zip,Corona 1.3, Handbrake, Sandra, SuperPi




AIDA64 - XMP

AIDA64 - RAM OC

Samsung B-Die vs. Micron E-Die (XMP vs tuned memory)

Shadows of the Tomb Raider @720p (XMP max 151.1 FPS vs RAM OC max 176.9 FPS)

XMP min 99.0 FPS vs RAM OC min 112.5 FPS

Forza Horizon 4 @ 720p (XMP max 193.3 FPS vs RAM OC max 213.2 FPS)
XMP min 155.5 FPS vs RAM OC min 175.5 FPS

Counter-Strike GO @ 1080p (XMP max 319.7 vs RAM OC max 339.1 FPS )

XMP min 102.7 FPS vs RAM OC min 105.2 FPS

Computer Base article Google Translate
https://translate.google.com/transl...base.de/2019-08/ram-oc-amd-ryzen-3000-test/3/
 
#45 ·
I have been using Ryzen master to test a few things.
If I go to the bios and from a clean load optimized defaults i change vcore to 1.325 and oc to just 4GHz. The PC boot to windows but vcore settings don't save.
I am using the latest BIOS on a x570 master
How can a fix this? can you manually change the vcore voltage and save the settings?


What mess is this? after years of working with Ryzen master a agesa releases gigabyte still can make it compatible.
I am starting to regret of not getting an asus board. I might get a refund.
 
#46 ·
Would be helpful if you provided more background info - your system specs and what settings you are using and software.

The picture you posted in the AORUS Owner thread shows you are using Auto Overclocking in Ryzen Master. Ryzen Master overwrites BIOS settings [SMU].
Sometime bad enough that one has to flash the BIOS to clear Ryzen Master settings and gain BIOS level control. Not to be a dick but it has been mentioned
on 4 out of the 5 pages in this thread.

I would strongly recommend not using auto overclocking features in BIOS nor Ryzen Master unless you have a specific need for it.


Pretty sure all AMD motherboard partners get the same micro code libraries to build BIOS out of. GIGABYTE has been rolling out new BIOS on the latest AGESA faster than any other maker.


try CLR CMOS and the load default profile, then set vcore. If that doesn't clear try flashing BIOS to stop Ryzen Master taking over BIOS setting.
 
#49 ·
Greetings to everyone contributing to this thread, and thanks to Heuchler for the detailed OP. I've built my first AMD rig for the first time in about 15 years. Basic specs: 3900X, 32GB ram (detailed below), Auros X570 Master, H100i AIO cooler.

I want to bother you all just a little about RAM and overclocking. Just 2 issues, and hoping someone might be able to help.

1.) I've had success with the overclocking tool after many hours of failing. The guide in the OP was extremely helpful in accounting for some voltage block values that I wasn't imputting which seems to have allowed me to not only escape boot loops (several hours of that), but to begin the process of getting stable in Windows. Thank you for your efforts there and throughout the thread. That said, I've noticed that when using the "Safe" timings profile in Ryzen Memory Calculator, my Read, Write, Copy and Latency numbers are really no different from stock. I've attached relevant images, but at stock (18-19-19-19-39 @ 3600):

Read: 54724 | Write: 52525 | Copy: 57072 | Latency: 72.0

"Safe" timings (16-17-16-16-36 @ 3600):

Read: 55741 | Write: 52667 | Copy: 58086 | Latency: 70.9

I had hoped with the lower CL and considerably tighter timings, I'd see latency in the 60s, at least, but nope. At minimum, I thought I would see at least *some* improvement, but I don't see it in testing.

So my question is this: Am I doing something wrong? Is it my RAM kit that simply can't do better timings? I see a few posts up that the Trident Z Neo 32GB 2x16 kit comes recommended for optimum OC. Would that RAM kit give me a better result than what I'm seeing here?


2.) I've been having a bit of paralysis of analysis trying to get some relative perspective on how much of an improvement I could expect from a B-Die kit like the aforementioned 2x16 Trident Z Neo kit (https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232860) with slightly better timings for relatively high resolution and high refresh rate gaming (120fps, 3440x1440) at 3733Mhz OC? If we're talking negligible performance gains, I'll stop losing sleep and keep what I have...but if the gains would be measurable and meaningful, I'll go with that kit or any kits recommended here. I don't really have a point of reference for how a latency of 62ns translates to in-game performance compared to 70ns. I have a preference for a 4x8 kit for the aesthetics but with this being a daisy chain topography I understand that a 2x16 kit is likely to be the better performer. If that ends up being the recommendation, that'll be fine.

Also, I had been looking at some of the 14-14-14-34 @ 3200 kits like this one (https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232850) which is listed in the high-end category of the recommended options, but I don't know if going with something like that and OC'ing it would yield a better, solid result than getting something already at 3600 and tightening the timings. My goal would be 3600 or 3733 with great performance. I do need 32GB as this is my work and play machine. The $350 kit or something equivalent would likely be around my spend limit and I do like the RGB look more than the more standard Flare styling.

Thank you in advance for your insights and recommendations!
 

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1.) I've had success with the overclocking tool after many hours of failing. The guide in the OP was extremely helpful in accounting for some voltage block values that I wasn't imputting which seems to have allowed me to not only escape boot loops (several hours of that), but to begin the process of getting stable in Windows. Thank you for your efforts there and throughout the thread. That said, I've noticed that when using the "Safe" timings profile in Ryzen Memory Calculator, my Read, Write, Copy and Latency numbers are really no different from stock. I've attached relevant images, but at stock (18-19-19-19-39 @ 3600):

Read: 54724 | Write: 52525 | Copy: 57072 | Latency: 72.0

"Safe" timings (16-17-16-16-36 @ 3600):

Read: 55741 | Write: 52667 | Copy: 58086 | Latency: 70.9

I had hoped with the lower CL and considerably tighter timings, I'd see latency in the 60s, at least, but nope. At minimum, I thought I would see at least *some* improvement, but I don't see it in testing.

So my question is this: Am I doing something wrong? Is it my RAM kit that simply can't do better timings? I see a few posts up that the Trident Z Neo 32GB 2x16 kit comes recommended for optimum OC. Would that RAM kit give me a better result than what I'm seeing here?

Try the Manual Profile, for me that is the best latency that i get. Before i've tried with V1 & V2 profile i get 66/67 ns latency with unstable 3733 CL16 timings.
But with Manual Profile i get 65 ns with stable 3733 CL18 timings.

Here is how you do Manual Profile. Taken from DRAM Calculator Instruction
 

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