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Which X570 board for $250?

I'm looking for a X570 board what would be better VRM wise and perhaps feature wise than the Gigabyte X470 Gaming 7 Wifi.

My budget for the board would more or less be $250 and i'll be initially putting a Overclocked 3700X then upgrading to a overclocked 3900X or 3950X later on.

I'm currently looking at the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro Wifi but I'm not sure if there's anything else better than that board. I'm fine with any brand.


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I'm looking for a X570 board what would be better VRM wise and perhaps feature wise than the Gigabyte X470 Gaming 7 Wifi.

My budget for the board would more or less be $250 and i'll be initially putting a Overclocked 3700X then upgrading to a overclocked 3900X or 3950X later on.

I'm currently looking at the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro Wifi but I'm not sure if there's anything else better than that board. I'm fine with any brand.
I would get the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro but then I don't need the Wi-Fi, if you do; I don't think there's a better board at that price point.

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Let's look at what else you can get for $250...

Asrock:
X570 Extreme 4 , Steel Legend ... (4 PWM signals driving 8 Vishay powerstages via doublers) not worth it if you are upgrading past 12 cores , 12 cores already heats it up
X570 Pro 4 , Phantom Gaming 4 ... (4 PWM signals driving 8x Sinopower discrete mosfets) absolutely garbage for anything 12+ cores : main appeal is ALC1220 audio

ASUS:
Prime X570 Pro ... almost same powerstages as Aorus Elite but on 4 PWM signals , lower fin area : fine for 12 cores currently (4 PWM signals , with 3 powertsages "teamed" per PWM signal)
TUF X570 Plus (WIFI) ... same powerstages as Aorus Elite but on 4 PWM signals, no Intel LAN, worse audio, lower fin area, etc. (4 PWM signals , with 3 powertsages "teamed" per PWM signal)
X570-P : it's so cut down feature-wise and it has 8x Vishay powerstages similar to Extreme4/Steel Legend (4 PWM signals "teamed")

MSI:
MEG Ace ... only if you can get the 240mm AIO and sell it for ~$120 will this be below $360, this is a decent choice as it has 12x 60A IR3555 powerstages (6 PWM signals doubled) with a heatpipe. However the fin area is lower.
MPG Pro Carbon : 10x Powerblocks salvaged from RTX GPUs (5 PWM signals doubled), topped with one of the lowest fin areas on the X570 lineup and then further topped with a plastic cover : main appeal is Intel LAN + WIFI ax
MPG Edge : 8x Onsemi discrete mosfets (4 PWM signals doubled) --- 8+ cores already a stretch , people are buying this mainly for Intel LAN + WIFI ac and possibly the 240mm AIO offer for ~$80 return via Ebaying
MPG Gaming Plus: 8x Onsemi discrete mosfets (4 PWM signals doubled) --- 8+ cores already a stretch


TL;DR: Aorus Pro is indeed a good choice for you.

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Let's look at what else you can get for $250...

Asrock:
X570 Extreme 4 , Steel Legend ... (4 PWM signals driving 8 Vishay powerstages via doublers) not worth it if you are upgrading past 12 cores , 12 cores already heats it up
X570 Pro 4 , Phantom Gaming 4 ... (4 PWM signals driving 8x Sinopower discrete mosfets) absolutely garbage for anything 12+ cores : main appeal is ALC1220 audio

ASUS:
Prime X570 Pro ... almost same powerstages as Aorus Elite but on 4 PWM signals , lower fin area : fine for 12 cores currently (4 PWM signals , with 3 powertsages "teamed" per PWM signal)
TUF X570 Plus (WIFI) ... same powerstages as Aorus Elite but on 4 PWM signals, no Intel LAN, worse audio, lower fin area, etc. (4 PWM signals , with 3 powertsages "teamed" per PWM signal)
X570-P : it's so cut down feature-wise and it has 8x Vishay powerstages similar to Extreme4/Steel Legend (4 PWM signals "teamed")

MSI:
MEG Ace ... only if you can get the 240mm AIO and sell it for ~$120 will this be below $360, this is a decent choice as it has 12x 60A IR3555 powerstages (6 PWM signals doubled) with a heatpipe. However the fin area is lower.
MPG Pro Carbon : 10x Powerblocks salvaged from RTX GPUs (5 PWM signals doubled), topped with one of the lowest fin areas on the X570 lineup and then further topped with a plastic cover : main appeal is Intel LAN + WIFI ax
MPG Edge : 8x Onsemi discrete mosfets (4 PWM signals doubled) --- 8+ cores already a stretch , people are buying this mainly for Intel LAN + WIFI ac and possibly the 240mm AIO offer for ~$80 return via Ebaying
MPG Gaming Plus: 8x Onsemi discrete mosfets (4 PWM signals doubled) --- 8+ cores already a stretch


TL;DR: Aorus Pro is indeed a good choice for you.
+Rep for the analysis. Thanks.

And for finally for the $300 +/- price point what would be best?


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X570 Master for ~$360 because it's been shown to be one of the coolest running boards (and if people don't buy it then the cost of the new improved PWM will never be justified), X570 Ace if you can get it with the promotion, or X570 Taichi for flat $300 MSRP (as it has been shown to be cooler than X570 Ace).

X570 Taichi happens to be on discount at Newegg currently because sales aren't really going well for Asrock.

At $300 you should be really looking at 3x M.2 slots and OC features such as clear CMOS/debug LED.

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X570 Master for ~$360 because it's been shown to be one of the coolest running boards (and if people don't buy it then the cost of the new improved PWM will never be justified), X570 Ace if you can get it with the promotion, or X570 Taichi for flat $300 MSRP (as it has been shown to be cooler than X570 Ace).

X570 Taichi happens to be on discount at Newegg currently because sales aren't really going well for Asrock.

At $300 you should be really looking at 3x M.2 slots and OC features such as clear CMOS/debug LED.
I can't buy from Newegg because of the fact I'm in The Philippines.

Most vendors here are actually selling boards for above MSRP but I have taken that into account. The Pro Wifi though I could get for basically MSRP.

I'm actually kind of holding off on the X570 Aorus Pro Wifi just because the VRM heatsink cover looks a tad bland compared to the Ultra. I know it's vain but hey it's got to look good too right? But I might ignore the looks if there's no other good $300 +/- option, and just take the Pro Wifi.

For $300 is the X570 Aorus Ultra a bad choice? And does the Ultra and Pro Wifi have exactly the same VRM heatsink?


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The Ultra has more fin area (see the top VRM heatsink not the left one) and 3xM.2 slots. However the issue is that at $300 it doesn't have features such as debug LED and the clear CMOs , power/reset which is why in most cases the Aorus Master is the next logical step up from Aorus Pro. The Taichi does have 3x M.2 as does the MSI Ace.


I've seen on hardware info NL the plastic shroud over the top of the Aorus Ultra VRM heatsink actually makes it perform a degree or two worse than the cheaper Aorus Pro.
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The Ultra has more fin area (see the top VRM heatsink not the left one) and 3xM.2 slots. However the issue is that at $300 it doesn't have features such as debug LED and the clear CMOs , power/reset which is why in most cases the Aorus Master is the next logical step up from Aorus Pro. The Taichi does have 3x M.2 as does the MSI Ace.


I've seen on hardware info NL the plastic shroud over the top of the Aorus Ultra VRM heatsink actually makes it perform a degree or two worse than the cheaper Aorus Pro.
https://nl.hardware.info/artikel/941...-met-een-3900x
How's the VRM and VRM heatsink of the X570 Taichi compared to the X570 Aorus Pro Wifi and Ultra?

I take it Gigabyte, MSI, and ASUS are going to be better at keeping BIOS updates latest compared to AsRock?

If AsRock is still keeping the same UEFI design and layout as the Z77 OC Formula then I'm going to like it more UEFI wise compared to what I've seen from Gigabyte.


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Taichi performs roughly on par with the Aorus Pro/Ultra. If you read the article the BIOs pictures are also in there.


Asrock has been keeping on top of BIOS updates but Gigabyte has been quickest. ASUS and MSI both have user complaints.


If you buy an Aorus or Taichi board you'll garner more support here I think. (OCN has threads for X570 Xtreme/Master as well as x570 Aorus boards in general.) mllrkllr88 runs the Asrock thread (he has direct contact with Asrock HQ) and GBT's Matthew (who is part of Gigabyte) is here on the Aorus thread as well as on reddit. elmor is no longer part of ASUS so don't expect too much from ASUS ; the MSI Ace thread is run by an end-user.

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I just realized what you meant by the water coolers for MSI... They are giving out ML240L's and the ML240R with their boards... That would make the MSI a better option in that case since I'm buying a cooler anyways for the 3700X and eventual upgrade to 12 or 16 core.

But I'm not sure the vrm deficiency of the X570 Pro Carbon WiFi is worth the cooler... Not even sure the cooler itself is worth it compared to a equivalent or larger Corsair or Swiftech expandable.

Curious, aside from promos we won't be seeing motherboards sell for less than MSRP would they? In the next few months before the year ends.

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