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Best non X570 Board?

I decided not to go with an X570 board for a 3700X.
Reasons for doing so are:
  • I have no interest in PCIe 4 SSDs. Right now there are only two SSDs on the market and they are expensive. However, I will buy two PCIe 3 M2 SSDs.
  • The first results for NAVI GPUs show only a minimal difference in FPS between PCIe 3 and PCIe 4. Most of the time the delta is between 0 and 3 FPS, but it may change in the future.
  • The chipset fans are terrible, although the MSI ones are quite good. First feedbacks suggest, that most fans shut off and stay off. Nonetheless what happens when you have a Navi GPU and two or three M2 SSDs? Keep in mind, that most fans are right behind the GPU.
  • X570 has a higher idle power usage than previous chipsets.
  • Decent X570 boards are expensive.
  • Previous generations are on sale right now in my country.

Which of those boards would be the best from a price-performance ratio view?
  • X370 Crosshair VI 115€
  • X370 Taichi 150€
  • X470 Taichi 200€ (IMHO this is the same board as the X370 Tachi with the same BIOS support, so it's not worth it)
  • X470 Crosshair VII 216€ (I would probably go with this if it was a little bit cheaper)
  • X470 Gaming 7 (Gigabyte seems to have some problems with boosting)

My feeling says that I should go with the CH7, but what do you guys think?
The X370 Tachi has IMHO the best price-performance ratio and the VRMs are also suitable for a 12 core upgrade later, but how long will it's BIOS be maintained?
The Asus Crosshair VII seems to have a large fan base and good support. Also, it seems like Asus has the best boost right now.

What do you guys think?
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Any that you listed will work fine. However the gigabyte doesn't have a very good vrm cooling. So i wouldn't use the gigabyte with a 16c/32t. The Crosshair's have bios flashback. Which sets them apart from the Tachi boards. So i would recommend one of the Crosshair's if you don't already have a last gen ryzen to flash the bios with. The VII has a slightly better vrm i believe. Is the VI a hero or extreme?

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Flashing BIOS is not a problem.
A colleague of mine has a 2600X which I can borrow.

The VI is the hero non wfi version.
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Flashing BIOS is not a problem.
A colleague of mine has a 2600X which I can borrow.

The VI is the hero non wfi version.
Both the C7H and C6H would be great for what you want to do. I ran my Ryzen 9 3900X in my C7H for about two weeks before the board said good bey.... no not because of the cpu in it, but because it got a fright when I fitted a Kingpin Dragon F1 Gemini on it to do Dry Ice session. The board in itself ran pretty well and at present I struggle to get the same 2d benchmarks scores using a Msi Meg X570 Ace.

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Any that you listed will work fine. However the gigabyte doesn't have a very good vrm cooling. So i wouldn't use the gigabyte with a 16c/32t. The Crosshair's have bios flashback. Which sets them apart from the Tachi boards. So i would recommend one of the Crosshair's if you don't already have a last gen ryzen to flash the bios with. The VII has a slightly better vrm i believe. Is the VI a hero or extreme?
I'm pretty sure Gigabyte is the only vendor with excellent VRM cooling for X470, specifically the X470 Gaming 7.

It uses a aluminium fin heatsink with heatpipe, it's not just extruded aluminium.



EDIT: For a long time now motherboard vendors have been using solid blocks of aluminium as heatsinks. While now for some X470 and X570 Gigabyte is using "real" aluminum fin heatsinks for VRM.

I'd say go for the Gigabyte Gaming 7. EDIT: I was supposed to get the X470 Gaming 7 myself but decided not to because the Gigabyte X570 offerings costs the same while offering the same VRM if not better.

Look at the X570 Aorus Pro and Pro Wifi, if you want something cheaper get the X570 Aorus Elite.

Worth noting with the X470 Gaming 7 is that the 2nd M.2 Slot only supports PCIE2 X4 Exclusively, it does not even support SATA.



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Thanks for the replies, I would like to order the parts today and I will just write down my thoughts about the boards:

Crosshair VI - 100€
  • + price
  • + amount of USB ports
  • - no PCIe 4.0
  • - only 1 M2 slot
  • - bad BIOS support

Taichi X370 - 150€
  • + price
  • + PS/2 port
  • + VRMs
  • - no PCIe 4.0
  • - second M2 slot only PCIe 2.0
  • - no USB 3.1 header (kind of a deal breaker)
  • - no USB flashback

Aorus Elite - 200€
  • + price
  • + PCIe 4.0
  • +/- semi good chipset fan placement
  • - no USB 3.1 C back port
  • - no diagnosis LED/segment
  • - no heatpipe
  • - no Cool'n'Quiet implementation
  • - no Fan hysteresis/ramp-up-time in BIOS

Aorus Pro - 250€
  • + PCIe 4.0
  • + FAN header
  • + VRMs
  • + second BIOS chip
  • - price
  • - no 0.1 steps possible for BIOS (voltages etc.)
  • - bad chipset fan placement
  • - no Cool'n'Quiet implementation
  • - no Fan hysteresis/ramp-up-time in BIOS

MEG Ace - 260€ (only if you sell AiO for 80€)
  • + PCIe 4.0
  • + VRMs
  • + chipset fan (size and placement)
  • + PS/2 port
  • - price
  • - very slow BIOS updates
  • - only 4 SATA ports
  • - high VRM temperatures
  • - need to sell AiO

IMHO I should decide between Crosshair VI, Elite and Ace.
Although the Aorus Pro is a nicer and better board than Elite, the BIOS is the same (no 0.1 steps possible) and I don't need all those fancy features. Furthermore the performance should be the same.
The Gigabyte Gaming 7 X470 is out of its league. It costs way above 250€ here and it's just not worth it for that price.
I should also mention the Crosshair VII. I like this board a lot, it's my favorite board. But it's just too expensive. Even if you calculate the cashback from ASUS it costs 216€ and I can get a PCIe 4.0 board for this.

How would you decide?
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The MSI Ace doesn't have high VRM temperatures. It is higher than boards of the same price class only. It's pretty much guaranteed to be cooler than a X370 Taichi because 12x 60A IR3555 powerstages with a similar heatsink would still need to cool less.



Aorus Pro uses IR35201 PWM so I highly doubt you can't adjust voltage in finer than 0.1V. See TPU's review, the interval is 0.00625 V for VCORE and 0.01 V for VDIMM.
Cool n Quiet is mainly branding, if it downclocks at idle then it's active. It also has fan hysteresis built in as the fan temperature interval.


If you're looking at X570 boards with an eye for 12 cores later you shouldn't be looking at Crosshair VI Hero, it's worse than X370 Taichi. It's using 8x 40A TI NexFET powerblocks and not 12 as on the Taichi.

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