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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 10-06-2019, 01:02 AM - Thread Starter
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Need advice from users with R5 1600 + Asus x470-F

For some reason I can't post on Asus forums, it always gave me server error so I will ask here. There I got advice from one user who told me that best BIOS for 1st Ryzen gen is 4602 but on that forum I read from page 92 when bios 4602 was released that that bios has a lot of negative comments (unstable, higher temps 7 degree increase in load) but someone mentions that that bios fixed PBO and fan rpm (stuck to 0% or 100%).

What about BIOS 4804? There is not a lot of comments of that BIOS becasue 3 weeks later came BIOS 5007 (negative comments) but all comments I saw on 4804 seems positive, someone says that is the best BIOS since 4207. So is it safe to update to BIOS 4804 with R5 1600? That should be my final stand BIOS with Ryzen first gen...
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With the R5 1600, it is BEST to oc manually due to low base and boost clocks. You can easily surpass boost clocks using that very capable X470F. Even with the Spire, you should be able to oc to 3.8, 3.9 or even 4GHz. Try it with the current BIOS you have.

The issue with the R5 1600 is its IMC. I suggest you set your ram at a minimum 3200 MHz with as tight a timing you can achieve. Higher is better like 3333 or 3466 MHz.

My 1600 used 1.38v for 3.8GHz. That's 200MHz more than the boost clock. Yours might need a lower vcore.

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I know but as far as i recall, PBO does not work with R5 1600. Unless there is a typo and you meant R5 1600X. Any BIOS will work but i suggest you wait for the microcode updates next month. Rumor has it that even Gen 1 will benefit from it.

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it is a R5 1600 without X


I think that bios 4804 brought only half of support for 3rd gen ryzen, full support came with bios 5007. Asrock on their page gave a warning that users with 1st gen do not update to BIOSes for 3rd ryzen becasue they will encounter problems. On Asus side, not a single warning and because of that I need advice from someone who has this combination


I also found this:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment..._not_benefits/


AFAIK if you have a 1st or 2nd generation Ryzen CPU it's not recommended to use any BIOS with AGESA versions newer than AGESA 1.0.0.6 from the end of 2018. This is because there have been a lot of changes done specifically for Zen 2 CPUs and thus older CPUs may have issues when used with these new BIOSes. Wendel from Level1Techs did mention that
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Others using older Ryzen are not having issues even with ABBA. Checkout post #824 but no mention of PBO.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-a...cesses-83.html

What i am sure of is PBO does not apply to R5 1600. I had one. My 2700 does not take advantage of PBO even on a X470 Prime. It is currently on a B350F using BIOS from June I think and it is working fine. I'm going to update the B350F to the latest and i bet it will work fine.

That video was before ABBA.

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Yes, I would listen to you but because Asrock said it I won`t risk it. If something goes wrong I would loose a lot of time to find a way to flash to older version of BIOS. I consider that other vendor should have same opinions/problems as Asrock. From their page (there is probably a reason for that warning):





I think I will update to 4804 version (last 4xxx version) and if everything is right I will keep that version until I update CPU.
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My advice is to stay with your current BIOS. Although ABBA is installed in my B350F Strix with a R7 2700 successfully, if you are not comfortable just keep it as is.

Now, if you change your mind, I also advice to install the latest chipset first directly downloaded from the AMD site.
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