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A little different from earlier conjecture on the ASUS, never thought MPS would be used. They are not the same as the MSI used on the ITX board.

Better than expected on the Biostar going with 90A versions and specs say 10K caps but the board came with 5K caps?

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A little different from earlier conjecture on the ASUS, never thought MPS would be used. They are not the same as the MSI used on the ITX board.

Better than expected on the Biostar going with 90A versions and specs say 10K caps but the board came with 5K caps?
taiwanese 5k only, biostar lists 10k on z490 too, but they are 5k actually.

maybe asp2006 is from mps
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Launch day B550 post:

Aorus Master = 59°C with OC 3900X @ 1.4V , no airflow
Tomahawk = 67°C with OC 3900X @ 1.4V, no airflow
Aorus Pro = 69°C with OC 3900X @ 1.4V, no airflow
Mortar (mATX) = 80°C with OC 3900X @ 1.4V, no airflow


ASROCK

B550 Taichi = ~69.5°C with OC 3950X (287W output power per Corsair Link) http://blog.livedoor.jp/wisteriear/a...077595601.html
^ seems Taichi is let down by its heatsinks somewhat , it's more in line with a midtier B550 from ASUS/Gigabyte/MSI in terms of temps
B550 Taichi teardown at xfastest shows 50A Dr.MOS SiC654 (https://news.xfastest.com/review/rev...k-b550-taichi/)

B550 Steel Legend shows RAA229004 PWM from Renesas: https://www.gdm.or.jp/review/2020/0616/351421/2
---> on page 9 there is a test with CB R20 pushing ~200W using a closed loop liquid cooler and it reached 55°C (board temp) with the 3700X https://www.gdm.or.jp/review/2020/0616/351421/9

ASUS

https://www.kitguru.net/components/m...Speed=noscript
STRIX B550-E = 62°C with 272W system power OC 3950X
STRIX B550-F = 61°C with 271W system power OC 3950X

STRIX B550-E = 58°C with OC 3900X (https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...ix-e_review/19)

STRIX B550-F = 62°C with 225W power OC 3900X (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...g-wifi/15.html)
STRIX B550-F = no sensor (https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...ix-e_review/19)

TUF B550M PLUS (mATX) = no sensor https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...wifi_review/15

Gigabyte

Aorus Master = 54°C with OC 3950X (258W System power): https://www.kitguru.net/components/m...Speed=noscript
Aorus Master = 48°C with OC 3900X https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...aorus-master/4
Aorus Master = 50°C with OC 3900X https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...ster_review/19
Aorus Master = 61°C with OC 3900X @ 4.35GHz in blender https://www.quasarzone.com/bbs/qc_qsz/views/432397

Aorus Pro (RAA 229004 PWM , SIC651 50A power stages) = 57°C with 3900X OC to 223W load power https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-b550-aorus-pro/4.html
Aorus Pro = 50°C with 3900X OC https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/..._pro_review/17

B550I Aorus Pro (ITX) = 62°C with 3900X OC to 215W load power https://www.techpowerup.com/review/g...pro-ax/15.html

B550I Aorus Pro (ITX) = 55°C with 3900X OC (https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/..._itx_review/16)

MSI

https://www.unikoshardware.com/2020/...wk-review.html
^ B550 Tomahawk uses Renesas RAA229004GNP PWM and 10x of the ISL993601C "DrMos" , using a 3700X the board temp is below 40°C (no surprise)
B550 Tomahawk = 48°C with 3900X OC (https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...hawk_review/16)

B550M Mortar = 49°C with 3900X OC (https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...rtar_review/17)

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what a joke about z490 steel legend.........


anyways

msi b450m mortar 4*(2H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550m mortar 8*drmos (60a) with 8 chokes

msi b450 tomahawk 4*(2H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 tomahawk 10*drmos (60a) with 10 chokes

msi b450 gaming pro carbon 8*(1H+1L) with 8 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 gaming pro carbon 12*drmos (60A) with 12 chokes

msi b450 a pro 4*(2H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 a pro 10*(1H+1L) with 10 chokes and 5 doublers (10 drivers built in)

no msi b450 gaming edge wifi-->b550 gaming edge wifi 10*drmos 60a with 10 chokes





asus b450m tuf plus 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550m tuf plus 8*drmos (50a) with 8 chokes

asus b450m tuf pro 8*(1H+1L) with 8 chokes and 4 drivers-->no b550m tuf pro

asus b450 tuf plus 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 tuf plus 8*drmos (50a) with 8 chokes

asus b450 tuf pro 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->no b550 tuf pro

asus b450 rog strix e 8*(1H+1L) with 8 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 rog strix e 14*drmos (60a?) with 14 chokes

asus b450 rog strix f 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 rog strix f 12*drmos (50A) with 12 chokes

asus b450 prime plus 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 prime plus 8*(1H+2L?) with 8 chokes





asrock b450m steel legend 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550m steel legend 8*drmos (50a) with 8 chokes

asrock b450 steel legend 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 steel legend 12*drmos (50a) with 12 chokes

asrock b450m pro4 6*(1H+1L) with 6 chokes and 3 drivers-->b550m pro4 8*(1H+1L)? with 8 chokes and 4 drivers?

asrock b450 pro4 6*(1H+1L) with 6 chokes and 3 drivers-->b550 pro4 8*(1H+1L)? with 8 chokes and 4 drivers?





gigabyte b450m aorus elite 4*(2H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550m aorus elite 5*(1H+2L) with 5 chokes and 5 drivers

gigabyte b450 aorus elite 4*(1H+2L) with 8 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 aorus elite 12*drmos (50a) with 12 chokes

gigabyte b450 aorus pro 4*(1H+2L) with 8 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 aorus pro 12*drmos (50a) with 12 chokes

gigabyte b450 aorus pro wifi 4*(1H+2L) with 8 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550 aorus pro ac 12*drmos (50a) with 12 chokes

no gigabyte b450m aorus pro-->b550m aorus pro 10*(1H+1L) with 10 chokes and 5 doublers and 10 drivers

gigabyte b450m gaming 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550m gaming 5*(1H+2L) with 5 chokes and 5 drivers

gigabyte b450m ds3h 4*(1H+2L) with 4 chokes and 4 drivers-->b550m ds3h 5*(1H+2L) with 5 chokes and 5 drivers





biostar b450gt (matx) 8*(1H+1L)? with 8 chokes and 4 drivers?-->b550gta (matx) 6*drmos (90A) and 6 chokes





upgraded from discret mosfets to drmos, in matx

msi mortar, asus tuf plus, asrock steel legend, biostar gta, NO GIGABYTE



upgraded from discret mosfets to drmos, in atx

msi tomahawk, msi gaming pro carbon, asus tuf plus, asus rog strix e, asus rog strix f, asrock steel legend, gigabyte aorus elite, gigabyte aorus pro


matx tends to be cheaper than atx-->the most competitive models:
mortar VS tuf plus VS steel legend VS biostar gta VS gigabyte aorus pro (still using discret mosfets) VS gigabyte aorus elite (still using discret mosfets)

tier1 b450matx fight: mortar 4*(2H+2L) // tuf pro 8*(1H+1L) // aorus elite 4*(2H+2L)
tier1 b550matx fight: mortar 8*drmos 60a // tuf plus 8*drmos 50a // steel legend 8*drmos 50a // GTA 6*drmos 90A // aorus pro 10*(1H+1L) (tier 2?)




very dissapointed to the vrm of gigabyte b550m aorus elite. cant even treat this (5*1H+2L) as an upgrade over b450m aorus elite (4*2H+2L). but rather a little boost over b450 aorus elite atx (4*1H+2L).
not to mention the vrm heatsink on b550m aorus elite is probably worse than that on b450m aorus elite.
b550m aorus elite should never be existed and the current b550m aorus pro should be renamed as elite.
asus msi asrock biostar upgrade their matx models a lot.
there is only one way out for gigabyte-->to release b550m aorus ultra 10*50a drmos or even 10*60a drmos

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A list someone is updating with data not seen elsewhere:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...OQw/edit#gid=0

In particular the Asus PRIME boards, they are mentioned to have SiRA14DP/SiRA12 parts.

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I'm generally happy with the upgrades we are receiving on these boards to parts neglected if one wanted to consider budget overclocking. Even memory OC is quite decent on most boards rather than what happened with earlier boards other than a few outliers.
Took a while to get here but I can't see people complain about the features given.

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GIGABYTE B550 AORUS ELITE vs GIGABYTE B550M AORUS PRO

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum and this is my first message.

I would like to ask you for your opinion on these two Gigabyte boards: GIGABYTE B550 AORUS ELITE vs GIGABYTE B550M AORUS PRO

- The prices for these two boards in my country are : B550M pro 120€, B550 Elite 144€.

- Originally, my budget was 100€. So with either boards I am above my budget.

- I do not care about USB Type-C, nor do I care about 2.5Gbit ethernet.
- Both boards have Realtek 1200 sound chip.

- VRM wise:
1. B550M Pro has 10 Vcore phases (configuration looks like to be Mosfets: OnSemi 1H : 4C06 / 1L : 4C10N, Controller: Renesas RAA 229004 5+3, doubler: ISL6617A)

2. B550 Elite has 12 Vcore phases (configuration_ Mosfets: Vishay SiC651C 50A, Controller: Renesas RAA 229004 (6+2), Doubler: ISL6617A)

My goal is to get the best board for the least amount of money.

My questions are:
1. Is B550M Pro sufficient for running 3950X (without manual OC, just PBO and similar boosting tech) ?
2. According to the specs it looks like that the difference between these two boards (from the VRM perspective), is just in different mosfets and two more phases (one doubled phase). Is the price premium for Elite justified by these better mosfets ?
3. In future I would like to use Zen 3 CPU (4950X?), Which of these two boards would be more future proof?

Thank you
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Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum and this is my first message.

I would like to ask you for your opinion on these two Gigabyte boards: GIGABYTE B550 AORUS ELITE vs GIGABYTE B550M AORUS PRO

- The prices for these two boards in my country are : B550M pro 120€, B550 Elite 144€.

- Originally, my budget was 100€. So with either boards I am above my budget.

- I do not care about USB Type-C, nor do I care about 2.5Gbit ethernet.
- Both boards have Realtek 1200 sound chip.

- VRM wise:
1. B550M Pro has 10 Vcore phases (configuration looks like to be Mosfets: OnSemi 1H : 4C06 / 1L : 4C10N, Controller: Renesas RAA 229004 5+3, doubler: ISL6617A)

2. B550 Elite has 12 Vcore phases (configuration_ Mosfets: Vishay SiC651C 50A, Controller: Renesas RAA 229004 (6+2), Doubler: ISL6617A)

My goal is to get the best board for the least amount of money.

My questions are:
1. Is B550M Pro sufficient for running 3950X (without manual OC, just PBO and similar boosting tech) ?
2. According to the specs it looks like that the difference between these two boards (from the VRM perspective), is just in different mosfets and two more phases (one doubled phase). Is the price premium for Elite justified by these better mosfets ?
3. In future I would like to use Zen 3 CPU (4950X?), Which of these two boards would be more future proof?

Thank you
The VRM on the B550M Pro will get hot with a 3950X if running outside stock configuration in a simple look. We have seen other boards with discrete mosfets struggle to maintain good temperatures or not to overheat in a OC configuration.
The parts aren't just good enough in comparison to others like the SiC651 50A.

So the B550 Elite is considerably better matched for a 3950X. You have to consider if the higher price is justified or if you want to OC at all on the B550M Pro board which could be done but will be much harder to do, you will need a VRM fan I would guess.
Running stock any board should do within reason. It's the PBO & OC settings that have more requirements. Though you could limit your PBO settings to be managble even on a B550M Pro VRM, just won't get the same headroom to play around.

I used a B350 board with 4+3 4C06/4C10N [1x2] combination, the B550 10+3 [1x1] isn't really that much better but make it marginally more acceptable to handle. You will need a fan on the VRM if you want to OC non the less. It's a hassle to do.

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