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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 07-21-2019, 10:47 PM - Thread Starter
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[Silicon Lottery] Matisse binning

Matisse binning from Silicon Lottery
https://siliconlottery.com/collections/matisse


AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.05GHz 1.237V 100%
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.10GHz 1.250V top 74%
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.15GHz 1.262V top 21%

AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.20GHz 1.275V 100%
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.25GHz 1.287V top 53%
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.30GHz 1.300V top 20%

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.00GHz 1.200V 100%
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.05GHz 1.212V top 87%
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.10GHz 1.225V top 68%
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.15GHz 1.237V top 35%
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.20GHz 1.250V top 6%




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Dual Channel DDR4-3466 (Up to 2 dimms single rank)
Dual Channel DDR4-3600 (Up to 2 dimms single rank)


Note:

There is absolutely a difference in silicon quality between the 3700X and 3800X, to get that out of the way. On average, the 3800X will hit about 100MHz or more higher all core. I know a lot of people have been wanting some kind of confirmation on this. We won't have statistics up right at launch as our sample size is still a bit small (a bit of trouble getting these CPUs right now), but they should be posted within a couple weeks.


Overclocking on these CPUs in general is definitely not warranted, as the stock boost algorithm is great- even better than 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen. Full AVX2 support on these CPUs has put us in a pinch in regards to validating overclocks on these CPUs, as they run much warmer under AVX2 stress tests than previous generations.


At stock settings these CPUs will run an all core frequency 100-200MHz lower when running Prime95 small ffts compared to lighter stress tests, which is something we can't replicate as there is no AVX offset available on the platform. This in turn can cause some of the lower binned CPUs to have a lower all core frequency than the stock algorithm will provide in other workloads, not to mention workloads not using all available cores.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ons_before_we/

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post #2 of 34 (permalink) Old 07-21-2019, 11:26 PM
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Matisse binning from Silicon Lottery
https://siliconlottery.com/collections/matisse


AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.05GHz 1.237V
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.10GHz 1.250V
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X @ 4.15GHz 1.262V

AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.20GHz 1.275V
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.25GHz 1.287V
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X @ 4.30GHz 1.300V

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.00GHz 1.200V
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.05GHz 1.212V
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.10GHz 1.225V
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.15GHz 1.237V
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X @ 4.20GHz 1.250V



CPU Cooler:
Any AIO CLC liquid cooler or custom water loop with at least 240mm of radiator space.

Thermal Compound:
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Gelid Solutions GC-Extreme
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Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut
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Motherboard:
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Dual Channel DDR4-3333 (Up to 4 dimms single rank or 2 dimms dual rank)
Dual Channel DDR4-3466 (Up to 2 dimms single rank)
Dual Channel DDR4-3600 (Up to 2 dimms single rank)


Note:

There is absolutely a difference in silicon quality between the 3700X and 3800X, to get that out of the way. On average, the 3800X will hit about 100MHz or more higher all core. I know a lot of people have been wanting some kind of confirmation on this. We won't have statistics up right at launch as our sample size is still a bit small (a bit of trouble getting these CPUs right now), but they should be posted within a couple weeks.


Overclocking on these CPUs in general is definitely not warranted, as the stock boost algorithm is great- even better than 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen. Full AVX2 support on these CPUs has put us in a pinch in regards to validating overclocks on these CPUs, as they run much warmer under AVX2 stress tests than previous generations.


At stock settings these CPUs will run an all core frequency 100-200MHz lower when running Prime95 small ffts compared to lighter stress tests, which is something we can't replicate as there is no AVX offset available on the platform. This in turn can cause some of the lower binned CPUs to have a lower all core frequency than the stock algorithm will provide in other workloads, not to mention workloads not using all available cores.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ons_before_we/


What is that? My 3700 is 4200 mhz - 1.288 V on MSI b450M Gaming Plus
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What is that? My 3700 is 4200 mhz - 1.288 V on MSI b450M Gaming Plus
Why would you need Ryzen 3000 series? My 2600X (X470 ASUS TUF Gaming) does stable 4.0 on all cores with 1.288, running cool (49 C) with the Wraith Max stock cooler and memory on 3200MHz. Wouldn't be surproised to be able to run it stable at 4.2 with 1.35v (although I might need to change the cooling solution)
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@ Eddiez , there's +15% IPC gain and double AVX2 performance on 3rd gen Ryzen chips along with front-end improvements

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What is that? My 3700 is 4200 mhz - 1.288 V on MSI b450M Gaming Plus
SiliconLottery needs to have stability for a variety of workloads including AVX/AVX2.

Is your chip AVX stable?


https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ons_before_we/
We aim for our CPUs to be just as stable as stock operation, which means we test with things such as Prime95 small ffts. Using lighter stress tests will net a higher frequency, which is perfectly fine to do if you want. A lot of our customers run higher overclocks than what we validate with, and we particularly expect this with 3rd gen Ryzen.
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Overclocking on these CPUs in general is definitely not warranted, as the stock boost algorithm is great- even better than 1st and 2nd gen Ryzen. Full AVX2 support on these CPUs has put us in a pinch in regards to validating overclocks on these CPUs, as they run much warmer under AVX2 stress tests than previous generations.

At stock settings these CPUs will run an all core frequency 100-200MHz lower when running Prime95 small ffts compared to lighter stress tests, which is something we can't replicate as there is no AVX offset available on the platform. This in turn can cause some of the lower binned CPUs to have a lower all core frequency than the stock algorithm will provide in other workloads, not to mention workloads not using all available cores.

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Now, can we wonder how much higher Ryzen 3000 can clock if AVX was decoupled with an adjustable offset? This is probably coming in the next refresh.

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Now, can we wonder how much higher Ryzen 3000 can clock if AVX was decoupled with an adjustable offset? This is probably coming in the next refresh.
Frankly if you want to test the cpu with something worse than avx then run fp64 ray trace benchmark in aida64. You'll be surprised. The quickest wsy to 95% confirm stability.

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So they didn't bin the 3700x past 1.26v.

It's nice to see lower then retail prices for the bad bins. Might pick them up for clients that aren't overclocking.

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Now, can we wonder how much higher Ryzen 3000 can clock if AVX was decoupled with an adjustable offset? This is probably coming in the next refresh.
Less than 100MHz difference in Fmax between FMA3 and scalar P95 code paths, despite ~37% difference in power dissipation.
Something else is holding it back, either process or design wise.
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Am I undertanding this correctly that the reason they clock and volt them low is thermal constraints under heavy (AVX) based workloads and not because the chip isn't capable of higher or will degrade with higher voltage like 1.3v under "typical" usage?

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Why would you need Ryzen 3000 series? My 2600X (X470 ASUS TUF Gaming) does stable 4.0 on all cores with 1.288, running cool (49 C) with the Wraith Max stock cooler and memory on 3200MHz. Wouldn't be surproised to be able to run it stable at 4.2 with 1.35v (although I might need to change the cooling solution)
Because 3600 at stock beats 2700X overclocked to 4.2 all core in every matter. That's why.

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