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post #51 of 58 (permalink) Old 01-19-2020, 06:19 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
The EVGA BR is rubbish and so is the 212 and none of them are worth buying
I though the keyword was budget? Then I guess an h150i and a seasonic 850w ultra titanium will be a decent option.

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post #52 of 58 (permalink) Old 01-19-2020, 06:25 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Awsan View Post
I though the keyword was budget? Then I guess an h150i and a seasonic 850w ultra titanium will be a decent option.
Budget does not mean you should buy crap the stock cooler is fine and the 212 is ancient loud overrated overhyped overpriced and medicore and there are tons of coolers much better at the same price or less so please stop recommending it its not worth buying its only getting sales because everybody think its a good cooler when its not

As for the EVGA BR its not very good and there is no excuse to buy a crappy PSU in this day and age yes a Focus Plus is more but its not huge amounts more and its better to save money somewhere else than buying a crap PSU that makes everything else in the system run much worse and less stable

The H150i by the way is not worth buying either its a CLC cooler

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Quote: Originally Posted by shilka View Post
Budget does not mean you should buy crap the stock cooler is fine and the 212 is ancient loud overrated overhyped overpriced and medicore and there are tons of coolers much better at the same price or less so please stop recommending it its not worth buying its only getting sales because everybody think its a good cooler when its not

As for the EVGA BR its not very good and there is no excuse to buy a crappy PSU in this day and age yes a Focus Plus is more but its not huge amounts more and its better to save money somewhere else than buying a crap PSU that makes everything else in the system run much worse and less stable

The H150i by the way is not worth buying either its a CLC cooler
The 212 is decent for the price and I don't understand you people that keep reading online reviews and say ummm the212 is 3 db louder and 2 degrees hotter than whatever you should not buy it.
It can be found for as low as 25$ and it's worth the price.

Second of all if you took a second and read what I wrote you will understand that I said" change the PSU if you can"

I live in Yemen I have built pcs much crappier psus and coolers (due to limit local stock) and they work fine, they are not optimal and I am not saying go buy sh it power supplies but it works if you are budget restraint.

And for the H150i I agree it's not worth it for it's price (yes for every build not this situation)but not for your reasoning.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Awsan View Post
The 212 is decent for the price and I don't understand you people that keep reading online reviews and say ummm the212 is 3 db louder and 2 degrees hotter than whatever you should not buy it.
It can be found for as low as 25$ and it's worth the price.

I live in Yemen I have built pcs much crappier psus and coolers (due to limit local stock) and they work fine, they are not optimal and I am not saying go buy sh it power supplies but it works if you are budget restraint.
Only really worth it when you can find it for less that $20, as you can alway buy the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 for $20, while the 212 EVO is $35 most of the time and only goes on sale for $25 every so often. So the 212 EVO is basically not even worth looking at.

Yes a crap psu can be fine, until its not and your entire pc is ****ed. I'd much rather spend $20-50 extra just to know my PC won't spontaneously fry itself when something goes wrong... Crap PSU's can also cause weird instabilities.
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No such thing as made for ryzen, its just marketing ****. Ryzen likes fast RAM with tight timings. While the set you found is fast, it has timings like throwing a hotdog down a hallway.

I suspect they just set the timings ridiculously high to make sure its stable with any grade ram they put on there, and avoid having to do binning or extensive stability testing.

So its cheap for a reason, but if you get lucky there might still be some okay quality ram on there and you might be able to tighten down timings yourself.

If you do want something with RGB and more reasonable timings out the box:
This 3200Mhz Geil RGB kit is almost $20 cheaper: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2fd...16gb3200c16adc

This 3600Mhz Corsair RGB kit is only $10 more:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WH9...6gx4m2z3600c18
I thought a 3600mhz cas 18 is similar to 3200 with a cas 16. Also the corsair you linked has the exact specs as the gskill that I linked.

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Almost everything price under $70 maybe other than the Corsair CXM and the Seasonic S12II and III and a few others are trash so no thats terrible advice and just because you never had a problem does not mean you should cheap out there is a reason why you are paying less

Efficiency drops warranty will be much shorter build quality drops ripple suppression and voltage regulation gets much worse and some of the basic safety features will be missing or flatout broken and the whole system will run worse and less stable and overclocking will be more limited

If you like playing russian roulette you are completely free to do so but don't be surprised when you shot yourself in the head one day
Then get the CXM. Problem solved for $40 less. $53 https://www.newegg.com/corsair-cx-se...82E16817139147

PSU's have gotten more expensive, but there's still no reason to spend almost $100 for a "BUDGET" build.

I'm not sure where this mentality that PSU's have to be the most premium and expensive to be ok. There are plenty of non trash ones that don't cost as much that are just fine. It's almost fearmongering.

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I thought a 3600mhz cas 18 is similar to 3200 with a cas 16. Also the corsair you linked has the exact specs as the gskill that I linked.
Its not look at the full timing not just cas. cas is only half the story.

The cheap G.Skill Trident Z Neo you first linked has a timing of 18-22-22-42 which brings it more in line to a cas 20 in latency than a proper cas 18.

The Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro kit I link has a timing of 18-19-19-39...

Just dropping the CAS latency while neglecting the other timings is just a way to market your ram as something better than it really is, as most people don't bother to look at the full timing spec.
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