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AMD based build project Dreissen

My original plan for this build was early next year but things change so my plan is now for next month
I have all the parts picked out but i wanted some second opinions on them

For the case i have picked the Phanteks Luxe 2 (this case sucks!)
For the CPU the AMD Ryzen 3700x
For the CPU cooler i have picked the new black Noctua NH-U12S
For the motherboard i have picked the ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (two dead boards later and i am getting something else!)
For RAM i have picked a 32 GB G.Skill TridentZ Neo Series 3600 MHz CL16 kit

I will be re-using some of the parts from the machine i have now such as the Corsair Force MP510 1,92 TB M.2 NVME SSD the MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X the Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 750 watt as well as all the SATA cables and the x5 HDD´s and the CableMod LED strip and also one of the 140mm fans as the P600S only comes with 3

I have an old EVGA G2 and a Samsung 860 Evo that will go back into the old machine so i have two machines and i will borrow a GTX 1060 3 GB for the old machine untill i get buy something better

Anyone have any ideas feedback or noticed something i forgot?
The idea here is to have two working machines

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The Phanteks Eclipes line of cases I've seen are not as well built as their other cases, but I haven't seen on in about a year so maybe they are better now. I know the new Eclipes have better fans then original ones had. I suggest putting all fans as intake in front, remove all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area around GPU and thus improve front to back airflow and airflow around GPU.

NH-U12S chromax.black is not as good for it's size but there are many others costing less than it's 69,90€. What cooler to suggest depends on motherboard and ram. Case has 190mm CPU clearance.

Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Power is as good cooling and as quiet as any cooler I know of and is 55.80 on amazon.de Maybe not quite as pretty as Noctua chromax.black, but less money and better cooling too.

ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero has 85.7mm from CPU toward PCie and 60mm toward RAM so plenty of room for most single tower and for even the widest coolers.

I think Trident Z RGB is 44mm tall so not as tall as some.

Other motherboards have similar clearance so big coolers will fit with no issues.

Everything else looks good, but I'm can't keep up with all the new things out there. I'm interested in hearing how you new build works out.

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The Phanteks Eclipes line of cases I've seen are not as well built as their other cases, but I haven't seen on in about a year so maybe they are better now. I know the new Eclipes have better fans then original ones had. I suggest putting all fans as intake in front, remove all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area around GPU and thus improve front to back airflow and airflow around GPU.

NH-U12S chromax.black is not as good for it's size but there are many others costing less than it's 69,90€. What cooler to suggest depends on motherboard and ram. Case has 190mm CPU clearance.

Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Power is as good cooling and as quiet as any cooler I know of and is 55.80 on amazon.de Maybe not quite as pretty as Noctua chromax.black, but less money and better cooling too.

ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero has 85.7mm from CPU toward PCie and 60mm toward RAM so plenty of room for most single tower and for even the widest coolers.

I think Trident Z RGB is 44mm tall so not as tall as some.

Other motherboards have similar clearance so big coolers will fit with no issues.

Everything else looks good, but I'm can't keep up with all the new things out there. I'm interested in hearing how you new build works out.
What i wanted was a cooler that was easy to install and not block the RAM slots and i have used the NH-U12S in so many builds that it has become a habit
I did look at the Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 but i am not sure if it will clear the RAM slots or not https://www.computersalg.dk/i/446834...ark%20Rock%204

By the way i dropped the G Skill RAM and picked this kit instead it might cost more but i would rather use Kingston and they are also lower
https://www.computersalg.dk/i/576824...200-cl-16-dual

I still have two weeks before i buy anything so i can still change my mind on the parts if others has better options in mind

Edit: found the Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power https://www.computersalg.dk/i/237091...%20Power%20140
Really dont like the fan and i think both the Noctua and Be Quiet looks a lot better in all back

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Yeah, TRUE Spirit 140 Power is not all black so I can understand your thinking. It uses 8mm heatpipes while most others use 6mm heatpipes and 8mm pipes move more heat, about as much as 9-10x 6mm heatpipes do. 8mm have more volume and surface area so more vapor, wick and fin contact area. I have all black fan on mine that came on different Thermalright cooler. I've though about using black spray paint to blacken the fins .. something like Eastwood Radiator Satin Black which is designed to apply thin coat and not hinder heat transfer. Wouldn't be cost effective for only one cooler. One can would probably do 20 coolers..
https://www.frost.co.uk/eastwood-rad...SAAEgKjS_D_BwE

NH-U12S with 5x 6mm heatpipes does a great job. I ran orginal NH-U12 (4x heatpipes) on i7-920 OC'ed to 3.8Ghz with custom shroud to funnel air from 140mm fan (TY-140) for couple years with no problems. I changed it to PH-TC14PE and later to TRUE Spirit 140 Power. They were quieter when CPU was rendering graphics or videos. With NH-U12S I could hear cooler when render, while with bigger cooler I had to get my ears less than a meter from case to hear cooler fan/s.

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What do you think about the Dark Rock 4 it seems like a better option than the black NH-U12S which i agree is way overpriced
There is also the Phanteks PH-TC12DX https://www.computersalg.dk/i/715291...q=PH-TC12DX%20

I like the Phanteks but the white frame on the fans ruins the look so i either need to exchange two fans from my Luxe 1 or i need to order two PH-140MP fans from Amazon as computersalg dont sell Phanteks fans

Edit 1: think i will go with the Dark Rock Pro 4 it seems like it will clear the first RAM slot on most AMD motherboards and if not the fan can be raised up and since the RAM are not super tall i dont see it being a huge problem

Otherwise the shop i am going to order from is pretty close by which make it very easy to return stuff in person rather than shipping it back
The only thing left i am unsure about is if there is room for 4 HDD cages in the bottom of the case or if my Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium is too long at 170mm

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PH-TC12DX is only 4x heatpipe so not as good as other you are looking at, and as for it's 2x fans the differnce is maybe 1-2c over using a single fan. 1x fan on cooler has to spin a little faster and 2-3dB louder cooling as cool as 2x fans but is 2x fans 2-3dB louder than single fan a few degrees warmer. So only differences is a couple degrees lower temp at 100% fan speed .. do you work your system hard enought for fans to run at full speed? Dark Rock 4 is 6x heatpipe and only reason it's cooling isn't better is it's fan is lower speed. PH-TC12DX is ddk 534 which converts to 71.48, so higher priced than NH-U12S chromax.black. There simply is no subsitute for more heatpipes and quality construction to have good quiet cooling. I think any one of the cooler you are looking at will do a good job. NH-U12S is best of what you are looking at.
Of what the coolers you like, NH-U12A chromax.black is probalby the one I would get, but only becuase it's just came out and I like having new releases. Honestly, the best and quietest cooling would be a cooler using 140mm fan/s and more heatpipes. But I don't know of any that are all black that are not much bigger.



Cryorig R1 Ultimate will clear 42mm tall RAM so will clear our HyperX Fury RGB DDR4 which just over 41mm.
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Damm i had forgotten everything about Cryorig and the H5 Ultimate is a little bit cheaper than all the others
https://www.computersalg.dk/i/125577...rocessor-koler

I like the Cryorig R1 Ultimate but its not cheap and i think its bit overkill, my system is at ilde most of the time and i wont be overclocking so unless the 3800x is a monster chip i dont need massive cooling for it
https://www.computersalg.dk/i/110962...%20Ultimate%20

Edit: also note that Computersalg has free shipping and Amazon does not so the black NH-U12S might be cheaper but with shipping its not
Its 626 kr with shipping from Amazon and the R1 is 644 kr compared

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Doyll i am still having some trouble with the cooler i like the Dark Rock 4 but its blocking the first few RAM slots so the Slim or the Pro are actually better coolers for my system

I still like Noctua better so i have two Noctua options besides the two Be Quiet and thats the black U12S for 565 kr compared to 548 kr for the normal poop brown U12S version
Or i can buy the black D15 (not the S version) but its 798 kr vs 630 kr for the S and 672 kr for the normal D15

I really like the black D15 but holy crap is it expensive so the question is what cooler for the system?
I wont be overclocking and i wont be playing games all that much so it will sit at ilde for most of the time so i am learning towards the black U12S since its good looking and dont cost an arm and a leg

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If you think R1 Ultimate is overkill why are you looking at D15?

3800x is 105w TDP throttles at 95c. Cryorig H5 Ultimate is rated 160w TDP so would keep it cool and quiet for sure, except maybe if you were running 100% load on it and probalby GPU at same time, then case and cooler fans would be running faster and audible, but not loud. At least that's my guess. Cryorig fans are not as pleasant to my ears as some, like PH-F140MP or 140mm case fan with MP impeller, or TY-147 at same speeds, but they are basically silent below 900-1000rpm inside of case a meter away.

Basic rule of thumb is 6mm diameter heatpipes are 40w TDP and 8mm heatpipes are 60w TDP. H5 has 4x 6mm pipes so 160w TDP, R1 U has 7x 6mm so 240w (spec says 250w). Noctua don't give TDP ratings but NH-U12S has 5x 6mm so 200w and D15 has 6x 6mm so 240w. Obviously higher fan speed / more airflow, fin area, how heatpipes are conneced to base and fins, etc all affect cooler TDP, so keep in mind this 6mm = 40w TDP is just a rough estimate.

It seems you keep trying to rationalize getting a Noctua chromax.black.

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I keep trying to rationalize Noctua because i like the Noctua mounting system and its one of the few mounting system i dont have problems with and i can figure out
Every single time i try something else i get a garbage mounting system made by a retaded color blind chimpanse with parkinson disease and high on LSD

Cooler Master and Enermax is what springs to mind as the worst and not even the Be Quiet system i tried was not all that great
I am going to order the black NH-U12S just so i dont have to repeat another mounting nightmare

I have a U12S in a system with a old I7 3820 so if its good enough for that a 3800x should be fine

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