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post #1 of 54 (permalink) Old 10-25-2019, 11:48 AM - Thread Starter
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Oh look another super low budget Ryzen build

Alright, finally got the itch to build something on the AM4 platform. I've been watching prices for months and months. With the 3600 still at $200, I decided that I would probably start with either a new Ryzen 3 1200 for $60 or hopefully find something used on the forums. After all, I'm a cheap bastard. The question was whether I could find a motherboard that I like. What I wanted was something with descent VRM, ALC 1150 or better, ATX, and not more than like $130. I was so close to getting a used x370 Taichi, which was my dream board, but someone else snagged it before I could pay the forum member. Then someone here posted a very cheap x370, and although it has a somewhat weak 4+3 VRM, I figure it should be good enough to play around and have some fun with while I learn about this Ryzen stuff. I put out feelers for some used B-die RAM too, but that didn't pan out. I saw some new 2x8GB 3600CL16 on sale though, so I grabbed them. The rest of the parts are being re-used from my old rig.

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Motherboard got here yesterday. RAM got here today. CPU should be here tomorrow.

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- How much will I be able to push this hexacore on this 4+3 board? I see that core-disabling is an option if I want to try for a nice HWBOT CPU-Z submission. Cooling shouldn't be a problem for this vapor chamber cooler that I have.
- This RAM. It was too cheap to be Samsung B-die. It could be some rather high bin Hynix or Micron. Luckily I don't mind getting down and dirty with all the timings. While I doubt I'll be able to run it at rated speed on 1st gen Ryzen, I would like to push at least like 2933 MT/s with tight timings. Coming from DDR3-2400CL9 I just know I'll be disappointed, lol.
- BIOS. There must be like 50 BIOS revisions for this board and a new one just came out the other day. It's going to be a pain (or fun) to see which one plays nice with my configuration.
- RGB. This board has it. Not my thing, but I'll try it out.

Once I get it up and running, I'll be posting benches and comparisons against my old Skylake i5-6500T (OC'd to 4.1GHz).
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post #2 of 54 (permalink) Old 10-25-2019, 11:59 AM
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RAM could be a million different ICs but it's definitely not B-Die. I had a 2x4 E-Die 3600 17-18-18 and a 2x4 Hynix something or other 3600 18-19-19 kit and both wouldn't do much better than 3733 17-18-18 with 1.55v.

You'll get to the CPU's silicon limit before you need to worry about the VRM not being adequate.

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This RAM is with 99% certainity Hynix C-Die based. No idea how it will act on an older X370 board.

Most of the time B-Die can be spotted by looking at the first 3 timings, they should be equal. For example 3200 14-14-14 or 3600 16-16-16 is certainly B-Die. Above 3600 they tend to make B-Dies that are like 16-17 or even 18-22-22 for the 4400-4600 so YMMV.

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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
RAM could be a million different ICs but it's definitely not B-Die. I had a 2x4 E-Die 3600 17-18-18 and a 2x4 Hynix something or other 3600 18-19-19 kit and both wouldn't do much better than 3733 17-18-18 with 1.55v.

You'll get to the CPU's silicon limit before you need to worry about the VRM not being adequate.
I agree, and it's what I'm also guessing. I will check AIDA and Thaiphoon and hopefully shed some light on the ICs.

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This RAM is with 99% certainity Hynix C-Die based. No idea how it will act on an older X370 board.

Most of the time B-Die can be spotted by looking at the first 3 timings, they should be equal. For example 3200 14-14-14 or 3600 16-16-16 is certainly B-Die. Above 3600 they tend to make B-Dies that are like 16-17 or even 18-22-22 for the 4400-4600 so YMMV.
Whatever it turns out to be, hopefully it behaves itself

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UPDATE

I put everything together yesterday, cleared the CMOS, and booted her up. Everything works! The RAM is Hynix. This is stock BIOS settings, but I'm going to be fine tuning everything all week long.
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1st benchmarks

Ok totally default settings from BIOS.

That Latency

I guess I better start working on that >
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1st round of overclocking. Some mild bumps in voltage and frequency. The Hynix RAM is already impressing me. I will be trying to push things further of course, until I find all of the limits.
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I had to leave to go to the gym for my daily workout so I started the AIDA64 stress test. I fully expected the VRM to creep up and eventually throttle my clocks. I came back about an hour and a half later and was delighted.

The Pook you were absolutely right! It did not burst into flames! It didn't even get over 61'C! It looks like it will not be the limiting factor for my Ryzen1 overclock at all.
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Glad my old mobo found a new home <3

Happy everything is working well for you! Let's see how far you can OC that chip.

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Glad my old mobo found a new home <3

Happy everything is working well for you! Let's see how far you can OC that chip.
Looks like 3825MHz for CPU with reliable stability. RAM seems solid at 3466MT/s.

I might try and do higher for CPU-Z submission at HWBOT.

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