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post #11 of 121 (permalink) Old 11-17-2019, 09:37 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by dirty elf View Post
buildzoids list is below

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2x16GB (Ryzen 3000, Daisy & ITX Z390, Ryzen 1/2)
Very fast B-die
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c3QG3C/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-memory-f4-4000c19d-32gtzr

CHEAP good B-die
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JkJkcf/gskill-tridentz-series-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c14d-32gtzsk

Probably CJR (fire and forget XMP speed)
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w3FKHx/gskill-trident-z-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtznc

Rev EEEEEEEEEEEE 3200
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MDYLrH/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bls2k16g4d32aese    	

Rev EEEEEEEEEEEE 3000
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2M97YJ/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3000-memory-bls2k16g4d30aesb
Do i want one of the EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 3200 or 3000? So a crucial ballistix sport lt kit? The b die gskill stuff seems cheaper?
Doesn't make a difference. Whichever one is cheaper or makes you feel better. They cost basically the same. EEEEEEEEEEE is just him meme-ing Micron E-die.

The White/Silver version of the 3200MHz Ballistix Sport LT is the cheapest at $141 right now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7wdxFT

The B-die is $230. The SK Hynix CJR kit $170 (sticks using Hynix CJR ICs are basically just use the XMP profile and forget about manual tuning at all since you're not getting any more out of it). Both are more expensive by a good margin over E-die.

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post #12 of 121 (permalink) Old 11-17-2019, 09:39 AM - Thread Starter
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ah yes, i see.. i'm watching his video now. helping me understand a bit better

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made some changes based on the input...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J9pHzN

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Quote: Originally Posted by dirty elf View Post
made some changes based on the input...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J9pHzN
I wouldn't get the P1. It's using some pretty slow QLC NAND flash. Stick with one of the Phison E12 + Toshiba BiCS TLC drives which will perform better and have better read/write durability for only $10 more (Team MP34 1TB at $105. I think some of the other clones are $100).

Team MP34 (look at the MP510 960GB or Silicon Power P34A80 1TB for how well the 1TB MP34 would perform): https://www.anandtech.com/show/14331...b-ssd-review/3
Crucial P1: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13512...b-ssd-review/2

3900X...I mean if you have the money, sure? I don't really believe in future proofing for any component. You're always better off buying mid range parts then selling that midrange part for the next gen midrange part, especially with Zen since AMD's bringing back decently higher generational IPC gains compared to the years of Intel stagnation. You lose less money that way.

I don't see much of a point to go past the 3600X or 3700X unless you actually have workloads that can take advantage of the 12+ core parts. As a general rule, whatever is high end now becomes midrange in 1-2 gens/years.

If you do go with the 3900X, might want to consider a beefier cooler like the ones I listed before.

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yeah i’m still undecided on 3700x vs the 3900x

i know i would be better off selling and upgrading... but i know myself. i’m going to keep this pc for the next 10 years. at best i’ll upgrade the gfx card and throw two more sticks of ram in it.


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You dont want a drive with QLC NAND flash in some use cases they can be slower than even a old school HDD so thats why they are cheap
You are better off with a drive using TLC NAND flash such as the Corsair Force MP510 or the PNY XLR8

Did you look at the Phanteks P600S before you threw that NZXT case on the list?

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You dont want a drive with QLC NAND flash in some use cases they can be slower than even a old school HDD so thats why they are cheap
You are better off with a drive using TLC NAND flash such as the Corsair Force MP510 or the PNY XLR8

Did you look at the Phanteks P600S before you threw that NZXT case on the list?
I think he already purchased it.
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Yeah, the case is free from a friend. If its AWFUL (doubtful..) I'll buy something else.

Thanks for the SSD tips and I don't know why I have such an affinity for the noctua coolers. I just always have, its irrational. Anyways you talked me off the ledge.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R4rDcq

hoping I can pick all this up for <$1000 with black friday deals

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MSI RADEON RX480 8GB
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G.Skill Ripjaws 2 x 8GB
Hard Drive
Crucial MX 300
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Western Digital Caviar Black SATA 6gb/s 7200rpm Drive
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LG Blu-Ray Drive
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Corsair 650TX 650 Watt
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Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
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Yeah, the case is free from a friend. If its AWFUL (doubtful..) I'll buy something else.

Thanks for the SSD tips and I don't know why I have such an affinity for the noctua coolers. I just always have, its irrational. Anyways you talked me off the ledge.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R4rDcq

hoping I can pick all this up for <$1000 with black friday deals
It's better than all of those airflow choked cases but it's not particularly amazing. I think the only ATX case I recommend is the Meshify C because it's extremely good as far as quality of life features go (front accessible bottom dust filter, can remove the front dust filter without needing to remove the front panel assembly, magnetic top dust filter, etc.) and is very unrestrictive with fan mounts in the right places.

The well designed airflow-focused cases should be as quiet as the "silence focused" cases since you can run your fans at lower speeds to achieve the same temperatures. The silence focused cases usually have pretty choked off airflow so your fans need to spin faster (i.e. louder) so in the end it's just as loud. The anemic amount of sound dampening material on those cases are only good for absorbing high frequency noise anyways. You need lots of mass to deal with the low frequency stuff (stuff like you'd find in anechoic chambers).

I would pick up three fans for two front intakes and one exhaust. Scythe's Kaze Flex 120mm PWM (or the 140mm PWM. That uses 120mm fan mounting holes) are extremely good performers for the price (around $10-13 each; good airflow for very low noise like Noctuas). Either go two 120mm front intakes and a 120mm rear exhaust or two 140mm front intakes and a 120mm rear exhaust.

Kaze Flex 120mm PWM: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6nL...n-300-1200-rpm
Kaze Flex 140mm PWM: https://www.performance-pcs.com/fans...425fd18-p.html

There's also the Thermaright TY-14# fans though I have a hard time finding them anywhere (140mm fans using mounting holes for 120mm fans). Also Noctua level performance without the Noctua price.

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yeah that case looks really nice. depending on how much i can save with black friday maybe i'll grab one.

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