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post #21 of 121 (permalink) Old 11-17-2019, 11:36 AM
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My current build (still in progress) in sub... I would go for AM4 socket, probably an AsRock or Asus MB, something in third gen Ryzen. Still Gskill FlareX, because those have Samsung B-die.

Case would be some mITX, with capacity to house one larger GPU.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Offler View Post
My current build (still in progress) in sub... I would go for AM4 socket, probably an AsRock or Asus MB, something in third gen Ryzen. Still Gskill FlareX, because those have Samsung B-die.

Case would be some mITX, with capacity to house one larger GPU.
The AsRock BIOS is pretty annoying to work with. It has a lot of features but a decent chunk of them are broken (maybe it's better now). VRMs on the ASUS B450 or X470 boards are pretty bad until the very high end, though at that point you're better off considering some of the $150-$200 X570 boards Buildzoid recommended in his motherboard roundup instead for better VRMs at a lower cost.

$130 would be the most I'd spend for non-X570 which would be the MSi B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC. Buildzoid is slightly on the fence with that board just because a very good X570 board is right at $130 (Asus Prime X570-P) with another at $165 (ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS), but if you don't plan on overclocking with a 3900X (stock 3900X or overclocked 3800X and below are fine on the good B450 boards) and either 1. don't want the chipset fan, 2. want Intel LAN, or 3. were going to get Wi-Fi anyways, this is a good board.

The B-die doesn't mean much if he isn't going to spend the time trying to tighten up his secondary timings and there's bad B-die as well. A CJR kit will be fine so he can at least get an FCLK of 1800MHz with no extra work. E-die if he wants to save another $30 over the CJR kit he currently has and is willing to spend the minimal effort needed to use the Ryzen DRAM calculator and copy paste those timings into his BIOS.

Edit: If you plan on overclocking with the 3900X, I'd swap to the ASUS Prime X570-P at the current $127. The B450 Tomahawk MAX and Gaming Pro Carbon AC are fine with the 3700X/3800X but a 3900X is pushing it if you're not running stock clocks (I edited my post on the 1st page to change the conflicting info there). Next meaningful upgrade would probably be the ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PLUS at $165. Get the TUF if the Prime X570-P goes back up to the normal $150.

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I was only planning on overclocking as an academic exercise. Maybe I'll stick with the 3700x and the tomahawk... I'm not sure I need the 3900x... When you say 'pushing it if not on stock clocks' do you mean the VRMs? Would good airflow in case help that?

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Quote: Originally Posted by dirty elf View Post
I was only planning on overclocking as an academic exercise. Maybe I'll stick with the 3700x and the tomahawk... I'm not sure I need the 3900x... When you say 'pushing it if not on stock clocks' do you mean the VRMs? Would good airflow in case help that?
Yup the VRMs. With the higher core count parts (3900X and 3950X), you'll need the higher phase counts (6+) with more efficient MOSFETs (60A+ smart power stages usually, you can probably get away with 50A ones if you have a lot of phases) if you overclock because those additional cores increase the current passed through the VRM by a lot.

There's some B450 boards like the MSi B450I Gaming Plus AC ($120 mITX board) which has a better VRM than the Gaming Pro Carbon AC and Tomahawk MAX which can actually handle a 3900X and even maybe a 3950X (it's using 6 phases with 60A smart power stages on each). The VRM heatsink is a bit small on that one though so you'd want a fan or something pointing directly at it should you overclock (perfectly fine stock).

Would a good airflow case help? Yes, but the most important part is making sure that airflow actually passes through the VRM heatsinks.

Overclocking on Ryzen 3000 doesn't really seem to give much though so it's basically a waste of time.

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Hmmm. Well that makes the decision to step up to a 3900x more complicated.

edit: Oh, so overclocking isn't much of a concern? So a 3900x on stock clocks with the tomahawk would be a decent route?

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Hmmm. Well that makes the decision to step up to a 3900x more complicated.
You're better off using the $170 you save from going with a 3700X over a 3900X on switching to a 2TB SSD or on faster or higher capacity hard drives.
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edit: Oh, so overclocking isn't much of a concern? So a 3900x on stock clocks with the tomahawk would be a decent route?
Yup. Still, I think that $170 is better spent elsewhere or just not spent at all.
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Hmm. Alright, it will probably come down to what deals pop up over the next week... Thanks, I appreciate the input!

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Any 5400 RPM HDD is going to be pretty slow and the WD Blue´s you picked are even slower than the WD Red you picked at first or did you have those already i cant recall sory
Unless you just need space to dump stuff on and never access it again you should pick a 7200 RPM HDD like the Seagate Ironwolf or Ironwolf Pro or the Red Pro if you want to stick with WD

Seagate by the way is a lot better these days and are actually slightly better than WD in some areas
If you still think of Seagate like they where 10 years ago you should know they have gotten a lot better

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Yeah I don’t know what drives I’ll end up going with for the server conversion. It’s not necessary that I buy them right away. If a great deal pops up I’ll grab two. I left them in there so I could get an idea of what the total price would be.


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