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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 12-18-2019, 08:20 PM - Thread Starter
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Adding additional memory gen 1 Ryzen, Same spec B-die no longer avaliable

So, 16GB is starting to bite me a bit in few games, namely testing Star citizen where it really really wants more than whats avaliable and some stutters from resources being traded has been problematic.
Ideally even as a temp solution getting another 8gb stick in would be great, or filling out the slots to 32 would be awesome.

However since I built this back in early 2017, and back then getting 3200mhz+ compatible memory was rough, I ended up buying Gskill 3600mhz B-dies with Cas 16-16-16-36 timings ( https://www.gskill.com/product/165/1...35V16GB-(2x8GB) these)
Unfortunately were very expensive, and buying more memory at that cost is just not possible right now.

So I'm wondering without dropping below 3200mhz or losing a boatload of performance what my best options are?

I'll likely be upgrading to the next Ryzen platform, so I don't want to totally gimp myself but my understanding at least that the newer Ryzen's aren't as performance linked to the Memory speed correct?

Any help in this matter would be awesome anyway, even if it ends up being a stopgap solution and tossing a single 8gb non-matching stick, I don't even have the case lights on anymore due to issues with watercooling loop going cloudy etc.

(If ends up being a decent idea I don't mind buying 32gb of new memory at lower performance, future proof in mind ofc whatever would prefer on 3000 series, I think I could still sell the B-die memory for a decent buck to cover for most of the cost of the 32gb)
(Or if I should just suffer and try to get more? since seeing that now memory overclocking/min/maxing for Ryzen is popular and can get some pretty decent gains in certain situations)


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Try to find Ripjaws V with the identical specs and they will be much cheaper than the bling additions. They won't match look wise but you can keep your performance with 32GB to boot!

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Try to find Ripjaws V with the identical specs and they will be much cheaper than the bling additions. They won't match look wise but you can keep your performance with 32GB to boot!
Any concern I should have about 4 dimms and speed compatibility? I imagine I'll mostly just be focused on just doing Rated 3600mhz as that seems to give a decent bump in performance alone over 3200mhz at bad CL's etc.
idk if these sticks can reach any 'fun' fclocks where things get better

I couldn't find any Ripjaws with these clocks via PCpartpicker, but only Gskill stuff.

Which actually didn't know didn't see them earlier.
Found these which actually aren't priced that badly considering.
https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-16gb-2...82E16820232437

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4 dimms can be more problematic then two dimms. However, you may be able to get the Ripjaws V at same stock specs as your b-dies. They may not be able to overclock as high as your b-dies but you may be able to reach some sort of a compromise. Just make sure they are both overclocked the same.

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Ya I can't find any thing BUT the Gskill tho with the same stock timings/or clocks
The Gskill there tho is B-die and 180$ CAD for 16gb of B-die is a decent deal I paid like almost 300$ for it back in 2017.

So I just went with that, thanks tho. I checked it out should match mine perfect, is older too so may be closer spec to this memory so hopefully less compatibility issues

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Glad it worked out, RAM has gotten cheaper so a good time to upgrade!

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I would recommend where possible to stick to the same IC type. Even if the binned quality of the IC isn't as good, you want to ensure every stick is using the same IC revision because each IC revision has its own preferred (or even capable) primary/secondary/tertiary timings. This can be somewhat alleviated by running at looser timings and lower bandwidth to account for IC differences, but that is obviously sub optimal when you already are forced to loosen your memory OC to account for the higher strain on your IMC by doubling the amount of RAM it has to manage.

Assuming you are using the Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K7 motherboard still (and my brief research is correct), it appears your motherboard is using T-Topology; meaning that it has the best signal integrity with all 4 DIMM slots filled. The real question will be how much your 1800x complains about having to run 4x8GB sticks of memory (apparently this was a serious problem with Ryzen 1000 series).

In any case, that G-Skill 3600 CL16 (or even a cheaper binned B-Die 3600 CL17-18-18 like mine!) would likely be fine as a second kit to use, but I would temper my expectations and be grateful if you could get 3200 MHz at CL16. I have no experience with Ryzen, so it would be smart to troll through the AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability thread looking for similar 4x8GB OCs with 1st gen Ryzen to understand the overclocking process. As always, make sure to back up your data before messing with memory stuff to limit the chance of silent and/or irreversible data corruption.

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I would recommend where possible to stick to the same IC type. Even if the binned quality of the IC isn't as good, you want to ensure every stick is using the same IC revision because each IC revision has its own preferred (or even capable) primary/secondary/tertiary timings. This can be somewhat alleviated by running at looser timings and lower bandwidth to account for IC differences, but that is obviously sub optimal when you already are forced to loosen your memory OC to account for the higher strain on your IMC by doubling the amount of RAM it has to manage.

Assuming you are using the Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K7 motherboard still (and my brief research is correct), it appears your motherboard is using T-Topology; meaning that it has the best signal integrity with all 4 DIMM slots filled. The real question will be how much your 1800x complains about having to run 4x8GB sticks of memory (apparently this was a serious problem with Ryzen 1000 series).

In any case, that G-Skill 3600 CL16 (or even a cheaper binned B-Die 3600 CL17-18-18 like mine!) would likely be fine as a second kit to use, but I would temper my expectations and be grateful if you could get 3200 MHz at CL16. I have no experience with Ryzen, so it would be smart to troll through the AMD Ryzen DDR4 24/7 Memory Stability thread looking for similar 4x8GB OCs with 1st gen Ryzen to understand the overclocking process. As always, make sure to back up your data before messing with memory stuff to limit the chance of silent and/or irreversible data corruption.

Good luck and I hope this helped!

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Thanks for the information, I did decide to go with a Very very similar chip, that should be made within a similar date even I'd imagine anyway. Should match my Current CL16 3600 exactly.
Thats good to know for the motherboard, I will have to see I'm confident it will least stick to 3200mhz until I decide to upgrade down the road.
I was able to run at 3466mhz if I pushed the memory and now have this timing calc can try my hand with it a bit more. But will definitely check out that thread.
I current run at 3200 CL14 (14-14-14-32), main issue being how far I can push the CL14 as least before on earlier bios (haven't updated for good nearly year I think), CL16 timings it didn't like.
So I was able with higher voltages able to get CL14 3466mhz but did have some weird stability hiccups so I stopped trying to play with that.

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I am more interested about the RAM hungry game.
How exactly do you know that your 16gb is not enough for that game?
I have played many Heavy games (lately CONTROL) and it never got more than 6gb of RAM (I have a G15 keyboard with real time screen monitoring).

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I am more interested about the RAM hungry game.
How exactly do you know that your 16gb is not enough for that game?
I have played many Heavy games (lately CONTROL) and it never got more than 6gb of RAM (I have a G15 keyboard with real time screen monitoring).

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